Baller_ Wish Posted January 3, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 3, 2015 Mini vans are popular, they do the same job, weigh about the same, have about the same engine displacement (v6) and about equal in aerodynamics. Nissan, Dodge, Honda, Kia and Volkswagen are among the most popular. Gas mileage is within one to two gallons of each other and 3 of them are the same. So after a 100 mile trip, you save approximately one dollar. Pretty sure your going with brand loyalty, comfort, drive characteristics and so on long before fuel consumption. And in autos, fuel consumption is a selling factor (just not when it's apples to apples but more like v4 vs v6). Now you could go back to the first light weight, slightly smaller original dodge mini van and drop a more modern efficient drive train in it and squeak out some better mph but who wants that. @ALPJr is most likely correct in the GTO being the most efficient...but betting sales are not through the roof for Gekko because of it. And it's 15k less (kinda the 97 SN with a 343 idea). Very doubtful a market shift would take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 3, 2015 One specific parameter does not change buying patterns. That's been proven time and again with price. The majority of the buying public doesn't really care about price or fuel economy. If they did you'd see a hell of a lot less Cadillac Escallades out there. It's the same in boats. They want features, comfort, performance, and name. Mark my words, CC could bring back a 196 and it wouldn't take appreciable market share from the 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiray Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I agree @ShaneH but like most classics, I'd like a shot at one more new one. If CC did a limited 196 production at a resnable price, I'd be game. That doesn't hit 200 sales volume in anyway. We don't like the 200's layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 3, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 3, 2015 So not to steer it in another direction but Gekko is the only patented hull that I know of. Can the 196 be duplicated or does that violate patent law? Thinking it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 4, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 4, 2015 @skiray I bet a small number of special edition 196's sold near a Carbon Pro price would sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiray Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 @6balls - I totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted January 4, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm pretty sure the 196 molds were destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 4, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 4, 2015 A small run of 196s would cost damn near the the same as a 200. In 2009, promo price on a 196 was $39k+. Factor in 2015 cost of money and one time start up costs on all the pieces which are no longer in production and a 196 would be pricey. Even if the 196 molds weren't destroyed, they've been sitting for 5 years. Which means they'd need refurbishing. If they have been destroyed, you'd need to digitize a new buck from an existing hull and build at least two new sets of tooling. You'd be into tooling to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted January 4, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 4, 2015 Unfortunately don't believe Correct Craft could produce a 196 near CP prices using their production process, labor and margins. So (unless they contract Centurion or Gekko to build em HA or just buy CP) I Love the 4 quality choices we have. A few years ago it looked like there might only two boats to choose from. With the possibility of Gekko back in the game next year things are actually looking up for the traditional ski boat market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiray Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 @ShaneH - do you think a limited run of 196's priced at a CB 200 wouldn't sell? The sadle bags don't work for me. The MC design seems much better. We had a 196 and were in the market for a 200. We didn't fit. We are in a TXI today. I like the 196 better than the 200. A limited run would be awesome. Before we were skiing from the boat launch. Today we live on the lake and 196 would be great. I'm hopeful CC will go away from the saddle bags on the new hull. If so, then I will take back my limited run 196 request and make a run at a CB 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 5, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 5, 2015 My contention is that the SN 196, were it possible to price match a Carbon Pro...would sell out a limited run of production. Now it certainly may not be possible particularly since it's been out of production for some time. @skiray all of 'em should have ski racks like the new Prostar...and it's ZO interface...and it's bimini top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 5, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 5, 2015 It's just not financially feasible to do a limited run. Start up and sunk costs are amortized across multiple hundreds of boats. Both for the boat manufacturer and it's suppliers. With a single tooling set running well into 6 figures, a limited run would drive the cost sky high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiray Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I agree, the math doesn't work for CC. It is winter, this won't be the last time I want something I can't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 5, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 5, 2015 Buy @MS '09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 5, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 5, 2015 The boats are all glass and they are out there to purchase. We have a wonderful 2009 for sale that is going to make someone happy. If somehow @Yeargin decides to bring it back, make it without the trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 5, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted January 5, 2015 @MS you really think Bill Yeargin has a BallOfSpray log in? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 5, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 5, 2015 He outta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 5, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 5, 2015 +1 for no trunk... That was silly. Would LOVE to have the MC side ski racks in my 196. Not really sure what else it would need (aside from a 343) to be the perfect slalom tug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 5, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 5, 2015 +2 on the trunk....Wait! I was on that design team scratch that. As for the ski racks?? Nope! Ever see a rope recoil into the boat while your mega buck slalom ski was in the rack in a mega buck ski boat?? Not pretty! Thanks Horton for posting the Towboat update. Happy New year to all on BOS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 6, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 6, 2015 A couple of years ago, I and a couple others approached CC about a limited 196 run, and they said they do it with a minimum order around a million dollars. It was 25 boats roughly, as I recall. About $40k per boat. These were rough estimates, as we never got far enough into the talks, as we couldn't find 25 people to go in on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted January 6, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 6, 2015 Can't undestand the reasoning for owning a 196 if your a tournament skier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 6, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 6, 2015 10,000+ reasons why.. CC should use Kickstarter for the 25 boats. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 6, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 6, 2015 There are lots of great skiers training behind 196s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 6, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 6, 2015 I am with you Jim. Take a look at Ski it again. must be at least 15 ski boats equipped with ZO all under $45K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 6, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 6, 2015 Ill take a brand new 196 for 3-5k less over a used 200 any day. Bet resale would be even better with a limited run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted January 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 7, 2015 I wouldn't want something I'm not going to get at a tournament. But, I would still opt for a used 200 before a " new " 196. I've owned 13 196's and 7 200's. The 200 in my opinion is a better boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 7, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 7, 2015 I wish I had a 6l engine in each of the 4 boats and a 5.7l in each boat also. It would be 8 boats, but that way I would have whatever I need to practice behind going into tourny weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted January 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 7, 2015 @skierjp Obviously you are a promo guy so you have to say that. I respectfully disagree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted January 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 7, 2015 You can see that it's difficult to put a ton of R&D into a slalom boat when you might sell 100 or so in the US... Curious how many are sold internationally? Even if it doubles or triple the numbers, this a very small, very specialized market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadW Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 @thager I'm not a promo guy and I agree with @skierjp. I owned a 2000 196 from 06-14, and I loved it. I've had a 200 for 6 months and there is no way I'd go back to the 196. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2015 Between my brother and I, we've owned 4 TSC3 196's and a 200, and I'd have no problem reverting back to a 196. If money was no issue, I'd own both for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 8, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 8, 2015 The only difference I notice on any of the boats (zo 196 included) is when I get a bigger engine and the wider white wash of the 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted January 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm the Southern & Eastern Promo Coordinator for Nautique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiboat38 Posted January 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 9, 2015 I'm with Jim, I loved the 196 but hands down would rather have the 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller EricKelley Posted January 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 9, 2015 If you have ever caught the tip of your ski in the trough of a 196 at 39.5 off you wouldnt be quite as much attached to it. Loved my 196 but Ill take my 200 hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted January 10, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 10, 2015 It goes to reason the newer wide beam boats have a wider albeit flatter wake, and the heavy one's certainly seem to have more whitewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted January 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2015 While some older hulls have been equal to the latest generations I think the overall improvement in the quality of construction, interior design, plus fit and finish by all makers is worth going with the newer boats. (Some of the new cosmetic design and color choices might be suspect however! But to each their own) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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