Nautibynature Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 We got the ball rolling, hopefully we will get this changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller hemlock Posted July 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 11, 2015 wow! Sounds like nonsense to me, if you can motorboat on the water... you can ski on it. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted July 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 11, 2015 They sound open to change....that is a huge positive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogboy Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 @Nautibynature, great work, speaking out for common sense, and against unreasonable restrictions. Keep it up, and good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 This is exactly what I said at the meeting. I am here to speak against New Kent County Ordinance 46-52 which prohibits waterskiing on Chickahominy Lake. There are no state laws, Game and Inland Fisheries or Water Works regulations restricting access of any kind to the lake. There are no vessel; size, type, horsepower, or speed restrictions. There are also no hunting or fishing restrictions. It is perfectly legal for me to drive my ski boat anywhere on the lake. BUT, as soon as my wife or I ski on the lake we would be charged with a Class 4 misdemeanor...WHY? Why would we be charged with a crime for skiing on a public body of water? Walker’s Dam was built in 1943 to prevent salt water from infiltrating the portion of the river above the dam, ensuring an adequate water supply to Newport News Shipbuilding. This low water dam did not create the boundaries of the lake, it only made part of the river non tidal. The War Department recognized it needed to keep unrestricted access to this portion of the river available to all God’s creatures, so a fish ladder and boatlocks were installed as part of the original construction. Recently a lot of money was spent rebuilding the locks with the sole purpose of keeping boat traffic between the river and the lake unrestricted. There is no requirement of being a New Kent County resident to use the lake which serves as the New Kent/Charles City county line. This law also restricts the residents of Charles City from skiing, as the wording of the law does not specify certain areas of the lake nor does it state it only applies to people who launch their boats from the New Kent side. If a Conservation Police Officer observes a person skiing they would issue a summons regardless of residency or location in the lake. I am a resident of the Colonies and own several hundred feet of shoreline on Diascund Creek. My rights as a waterfront property owner stop at my shoreline, I have no control over boat traffic or activities in the creek. The same holds true for property owners on the Lake. It shouldn't matter if they like water skiing or not, this is not a private lake with a property owners association that has the authority to govern activities on the lake. Just to be clear, I do not believe any recreational activity should be restricted by a county ordinance. Why does New Kent County think it is okay to take away the rights of even one person on a public body of water. What did the county gain by making skiing illegal? Why is the county giving preference to one recreational activity over another? I asked this question when I first found this ordinance, and I ask it again tonight. Why is skiing prohibited on Chickahominy Lake. There is no logical answer that justifies continuing this prohibition. I would like the board to begin the process of ending this ordinance that effectively and specifically restricts the freedom of the general public to use this body of water. Board members, you have an opportunity to change this law that most people don't even know exists. If you decide not to take action to eliminate this ordinance, Does it mean you support it? Gentlemen, Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller usaski1 Posted July 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2015 The paper?!? In the 90's this would have gotten read.. I'm not even sure if/why newspapers exist anymore!?! All joking aside... great work to get your voice out there!! Sounds like this should be changing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted July 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2015 @Nautibynature let me know if you have another meeting with the Board of Supervisors. It's only 30-35 minutes and I can come down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 I will keep you posted, from what I gather there will be a public hearing first, then they decide whether or not to vote on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodb Posted July 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2015 i live in New Kent i usually read the Chronicle not sure how i missed it. Keep us up to date on the hearing, i would like to attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 @rodb and @Bill22 thanks for the support, there aren't many skiers in the county. I will post any updates here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Got a fight on our hands. http://nkccnews.com/local-news/2015/07/28/new-kent-water-skiing-ordinances-history-may-affect-future-decision-on-issue/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted July 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 29, 2015 That was a very one sided article. You should request similar print space for a rebuttal article on the ' too shallow ' and ' too small ' issues. i assume of course that its not too shallow or too small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 It's a 1200 acre lake, are there parts of it not suitable for skiing, without a doubt... Just like any other body of water. There is plenty of skiable water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted July 29, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 29, 2015 We need to take the Board of Supervisors to Lake Holly this weekend to watch Eastern Regionals. Then they could see safe skiing on a small lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 http://m.nbc12.com/nbc12/db_330650/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=D9cNkPcc We made the local news. Anyone else notice the conflict of interest? The safety issue is a joke, they are describing every body of water in the area, this is the only one skiing is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sgregg Posted August 7, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2015 I never thought I would either...request was for two ski boats/families, 10 days. The lake is 3+ miles long in NE Oregon http://www.wallowa.com/local_news/20150629/state-rejects-water-ski-course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 7, 2015 Supporting Member Share Posted August 7, 2015 Interesting. Sounds like the agency in OR approached it with an open mind at least? I think this sort of thing is so hard, because people often choose their location based on what is (and is NOT) available on the lake. So I have some sympathy for folks who use the phrase "the traditional use." I hope somebody is willing to work with you on a suitable location. It's embarrassing in the age of obesity how hard folks fight to avoid having good exercise opportunities available! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 @sgregg do you have an Insta slalom? The article states no permit necessary if you take it up at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 I went back in front of the Board of Supervisors again tonight. After hearing from Mr. Allen at the July work session and watching the local news coverage, I had no problem with speaking for the 3 minutes allowed. Below are my remarks. Board members, the first time I stood here before you I asked Why is skiing illegal on the lake? Tonight I stand here to answer that question. This ordinance is not about fishing, it is not about safety, it is not about noise. This ordinance is about a small group of people that are protecting their own selfish interests, nothing more and nothing less. They are using the reasons I just mentioned in an attempt to manipulate you into maintaining an ordinance that is arbitrary and discriminatory in nature. We learned a lot about this ordinance at the July work session. 1. We learned that the water in the lake is indeed public. 2. We learned that no other county in Virginia has an ordinance like this. 3. We learned that the two boat landings on the lake launch over 150 boats per weekend, but somehow the lake is too small and there is no room for a couple of skiers. 4. We learned that if this ordinance is changed, Mr. Allen is of the opinion that it would hurt his business. If that is true, the logical conclusion is that enacting this ordinance helped his business back in 1979 when he was a member of this board. That is a clear conflict of interest and should be reason enough to end this restriction. 5. We learned from Mr. Allen that he turns away ski boats that have every right to be on the lake. While this perhaps is a heavy handed way for him to support his fishing business, for the county to ban skiing for the same reason just seems plain wrong. 6. We learned that a lawyer has a place on the Charles City side who enjoys waterskiing in the lake, but that doesn't bother either of the landing operators or ruin the fishing. It also demonstrates that there is indeed safe, skiable waters in this lake. It should also be safe to assume that there were people skiing in the lake on a regular basis prior to July 1979 when this ordinance was put into place. 7. Last but not least, We learned that it is perfectly legal for us to ski on the lake as long as we stay in Charles City waters. Are we to completely disregard the Coast Guard rules of navigation that pertain to oncoming boat traffic? Or, are we to follow the Coast Guard rules and be charged with a class 4 misdemeanor because we crossed into New Kent waters while staying to the right of oncoming boat traffic when skiing upriver? The only thing truly making it unsafe to ski in Chickahominy Lake is this ordinance. There is no clear line marking the center of the channel, making this ordinance vague and impossible to enforce. I would agree with Mr. Allen, there are underwater hazards, weeds, and shallow areas in the lake… Just like in every other public body of water in our area. However, this is the only one where skiing is illegal. If safety were truly the reason behind this ordinance, Why weren’t similar restrictions placed on other waters? I am of the opinion that the correct answer is, Mr. Allen did not own a business that catered to fishermen on those other waters. Safety is simply a façade that needs to be removed from this discussion. Once again I have stood before you and offered several reasons why this law doesn’t make sense. I again would like to ask the board to eliminate this restriction on waterskiing in the lake. We have yet to hear one logical reason why this law should not be changed. How in good faith could this board support an ordinance that benefits only a few private interests? Thank you once again for your time and consideration to this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted August 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2015 I regularly go to a lake that is about 1200 acres. Its mostly used for fishing so I'm often the only ski boat on the lake. Even on the weekends I'll maybe see a couple of wakeboarder. Its a fairly open lake and mostly 10 to 25 ft deep. Its over on the bad side of town maybe the folks in there 100k wakeboard boats don't want to be seen there. There's another nearby fishing lake that's about 4000 acres and its got stumps and trees all over it. I stay right by the damn there. I've never seen more than 2 other ski/boarding boats there at a time. I've put my portable course out there a few times, almost lost my anchor on a stump. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 http://nkccnews.com/local-news/2015/08/11/no-action-on-water-ski-ordinance-in-new-kent-more-research-to-be-conducted/ Back in the paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 Here is a video of the lake that is too dangerous to ski in. Please excuse the wind noise and length. We wanted to get a long pull in to show the amount of skiable water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted September 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2015 That lake is huge compared to some of the lake in central Texas that people ski in. Its considerable wider than Lake Austin which is loaded with wakeboarders and surfers every weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 The proponents of keeping this ordinance in place are hiding behind safety as the reason. We posted this video to show just how safe the lake really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted September 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2015 Hopefully you get some movement on that soon. Looks like a beautiful place to SKI!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiItUp Posted September 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2015 Does Virginia have a water ski association? If so contact them, they may be able to help. Just a thought. How about AWSA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2015 @Nautibynature Did you break the ordinance while making that video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 I don't think Virginia has an association. @rodb may know the answer to that. How would AWSA be willing to help? I am of the opinion that New Kent County overstepped it's bounds when it enacted this ordinance on a lake it does not own, would they offer legal assistance to challenge this in court? @MattP We have skiied in the lake several times since the July work session when the county attorney said it was legal to ski in the lake as long as we do not cross into New Kent waters. The lake is a boundary between New Kent and Charles City County. Back in 1979 Ed Allen Jr. (owner of Ed Allen's Boats and Baits on the lake)was on the Board of Supervisors and got this ordinance passed. He rents fishing boats on the lake and doesn't think skiers belong in "his lake" It's basically small town politics I'm going up against on this. The funny thing is someone has called the law every time we have been skiing, state game wardens say it's a county ordinance and they aren't going to enforce it. County Sherriff says the state owns the water and they aren't going to enforce it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 scroll down to page 5 and 6. The link is to the minutes from the last meeting we spoke on this. http://www.co.new-kent.va.us/Archive/ViewFile/Item/3449 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 @SkiItUp I am a AWSA member and ski with @Nautibynature on this lake. If anyone has contacts at AWSA or USA waterski that can help please send them my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 The story of Ed Allen's Boats and Baits controlling the lake sounds like something from an A-Team or MacGyver episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 @Bill22 I don't have a name, but go to usawaterski.org and scan down the left banner. You will find a listing for "waterways advocacy". Click on it and see what they have for you. Once upon a time a Cincinnati area attorney (Bill ?) was the guy who was (at that time AWSA) the legal eagle who advocated for waterski rights for the association and individuals. As far as a name, Leon Larson is the guy you want to contact. He's not on usawaterski staff, just a volunteer who heads up that program. llarsonusaws at aol dot com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 @BlueSki we'll take their help too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 @Bill22 I will hook the boat to the van! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 @BlueSki DUDE!!!! I'M READY!!!!! That's a sweet ride, the boat and the van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 You gotta tell me, are either one of those yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 @Bill22, no, but if I ever become ridiculously rich and decide to leave my children on their own, I will have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 @BlueSki we equate Ed Allen to Boss Hogg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 17, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2015 @Nautibynature I hope you guys are successful. Best of luck and hopefully karma comes back to Boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 He really does think the lake belongs to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baller Bill22 Posted September 17, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2015 This is building up to a great episode. @Nautibynature I'll drive and you get to shoot the dynamite arrows! Corey Vaughn and @robb can ride jumpers with a pump shotgun. In the A Team boat we have @BlueSki with a grenade launcher and "BA" behind the wheel. April Eller is just down the road maybe she can bring Daisy Duke. Who wants to ride with Murdock in the seaplane? There is no way we could lose or no end to how far we could run with this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 17, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2015 I'm in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Finally got this to a public hearing, it will be interesting to see how many people show up. http://nkccnews.com/local-news/2015/12/15/new-kent-water-skiing-issue-returns-heads-to-february-public-hearing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Finally got this to a public hearing, it will be interesting to see how many people show up. http://nkccnews.com/local-news/2015/12/15/new-kent-water-skiing-issue-returns-heads-to-february-public-hearing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautibynature Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 I forgot to post what I said at the last meeting. Board members, I am here once again to speak against a county ordinance that prohibits water skiing on Chickahominy Lake. An ordinance that was brought forth by a member of the Board of Supervisors that had a business operating on the lake. An ordinance that would have never been enacted had he not been a Supervisor. A conflict of interest by definition is: A situation in which someone who has to make a decision in an official capacity stands to profit personally from the decision. Another definition is: a conflict between the private interests and the official responsibilities of a person in a position of trusts. This is a clear violation of the Virginia Conflict of Interests Act. I would like to point out that as recently as September 14 of this year this very topic came up when Mr. Stiers disqualified himself from participating and voting on a New Kent Chamber of Commerce Lease Agreement. This was the right thing to do in 2015, and I would like to think we would all agree it was also the right thing to do in 1979. You have an opportunity to correct this error in judgement that ocurred many years ago. Last month we heard complaints about the placement of a duck blind in a marsh from some homeowners on the Chickahominy River. It should come as no surprise that someone would suggest an ordinance be enacted to prevent this perfectly legal activity, afterall this county seems to support an ordinance that prevents water skiing in a public lake? Why wouldn’t it support preventing duck hunting in the river? After the October work session The Chronicle story reported that Mr. Hathaway advised board members there were two ways to resolve the issue. However, those resolutions have major drawbacks and were more than likely impossible to consider. In the article he was quoted as saying, “The first thing we can do is enact an ordinance that prevents discharging a weapon within a certain distance of a home, But you can’t limit that to just this one area. This would have to be enacted for the entire county. “The second thing you can do is make it a no hunting zone,” But if you do that, the landowner can say he is in compliance with state law. Under those conditions, he could legally challenge us because the state law would trump our local law." I maintain my position that state law regarding skiing would also trump this local law. I would also like to remind the Board of an ordinance that you changed in January, 2014. The ordinance was 46-221 Discharge of firearms in residential subdivisions. The Board found that it is in the interests of the County and it's citizens to amend the county code to reflect the Code of Virginia. It was an easy decision for you to remove a law that prevented people from shooting guns in neighborhoods. Why is it so difficult to change a law that prevents people from waterskiing on a public lake? We have come before you 4 times now. We have given you 24 minutes of content with hardly a minute of discussion or feedback from you. All we are asking is a vote from you to put this to a public hearing. I would like to hear what the citizens that support keeping this ordinance in place have to say. When you consider the entire content of what we have said, Is a public hearing an unreasonable requests? I have brought some examples of recent actions taken by the current board that set a clear standard. I ask this board to be consistent with your decisions and vote to bring this to a public hearing. Thank you once again for your consideration to this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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