Baller Fatroll Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 One of the guys I ski with is a chemist and developed a boat bottom cleaner. We ski on a VERY murky lake which makes keeping the boats clean a challenge. Here is the site if you are looking to try something new. http://www.aurorachemical.com/buy-hc-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slvrbulit Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 wow, that looks pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 How about when the bottom is just scummy? If this stuff works I would definitely buy it I have been using the acid but I hate it and it trashes my trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LOTW Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 My question also, how does it affect the trailer paint or galvanized coating? Rubber? Is it available in Canada and if so where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 Has he got an MSDS for that stuff? Don't see one on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fatroll Posted September 2, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 dealerinquiry@aurorachemical.com is the contact email. I will also send him the link to this page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Heys Guys! Steve Milano here... Formulator of HC-1 and Owner. I want to take a moment to answer some questions posted about the product. HC-1 comes in 2 forms: 1) a crystal powder pack that needs to be dissolved in water, and 2) a premixed liquid version that's ready to apply. The premixed version has materials in it that thicken the cleaner, allowing to stay where its applied and not run off the boat - Kind of like a wall paint- and it can be applied with a common yard sprayer. The thickened version allows the active chemical to efficiently attack the algae sense its not running off the surface. The active ingredient in both forms is identical and in scienctific terms it's considered a "weak acid". Unlike some aggressive acid cleaners in the market, this one is a lot safer and will not harm galvanized, painted or rubber surfaces on the boat or trailer. HC-1 will effectively remove stains and nasty undergrowth as it was formulated with a chemical that enters into the algae particles and destroys them from the inside out. If the boat is really bad, ie algae hair all over, HC-21needs a little more time to react and/or 2 applications. 1 gallon of the premix is designed to cover 400 square feet of surface (a 20 foot boat). The one pound powder pack make 3 gallons of cleaner, but this material will run off surfaces. Still very effective though... Shipping into Canada needs to be investigated but I believe do-able via FedEx. An MSDS is available for the product and ingredients, application instructions and product safety warnings are clearly printed on the label in compliance with laws of consumer products. Active ingredient is ethanedioic acid. This is a start-up business in year one and I appreciate your support and welcome any feedback or comments. If you wish to contact me directly, feel free to do so at stevemilano@aurorachemical.com or the phone number listed on www.aurorachemical.com Ski Hard and Thanks! -Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pgmoore Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 And this, right here, is why I love this forum. Another example of an individual going on their own to create a product they are passionate about. And not only that, but when some people have questions, next thing you know @SteveMilano is signed up for BallofSpray and giving answers. I know nothing about this product. But I think the engagement is just awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 For $40 I will probably give it a try. I am in favor of something that is as easy as the oaxalic acid but not as toxic. I don't mind if it needs to sit for a few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 ethanedioic acid appears to be another name for oaxalic acid? http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/oxalic_acid#section=Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jetpilotg4 Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 where was this Monday when I was laying on my back with toilet bowl cleaner and a scotch bright pad all day Monday ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Technically oldjeep you're right. Ethanedioic acid is the chemical name and the generic name is oxalic acid. But this is where the commonality stops. Let me explain a little... Purity: Ethanedioic acid is just that. Oxalic acid, not so much. Generally 90-95% pure. Will common oxalic acid itself work? For sure, but it's my opinion that there's a lot of waste and user tend too much to their solution causing the trailer problems referenced above. What else is in there? pKa: A chemistry thing that identifies how much of an acid can go into water and dissociate. Add more than the dissociation constant allows and you're simply wasting material. Mine is dead nuts on. If an acid species doesn't dissociate, it's not working. Secret Sauce: I have developed a surfactant package that allows the pure ethanedioic acid to -very effectively- wet out and attack the algae from the inside out. Additionally the thickening ingredient keeps the material where its applied. By all means if you're happy with what you're using, keep using it! I've developed mine to be safe for end users, their boats and trailers. It's environmental safe and completely biodegradable. Don't get me wrong... I want you to buy my product. But to simply say it's just oxalic acid isn't quite fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 2, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted September 2, 2015 @jetpilotg4 Did you add some peroxide to the TB cleaner? If you were using a scotch bright you must have had some major gunk on there. I use Lysol blue with some peroxide and its spray on and wipe off. Our dealership just took in a used pontoon that has not had the toons cleaned in 10 years and it sat in the water for 10 summers. We sell Zing aluminum cleaner which usually works great but it did not even budge on this project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ordered a gallon will let you know how it works. I am fed up with trying to find fatastik with oxyclean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 Let us know I am interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JackQ Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 Will this product burn the carpet on the trailer bunks like many of the commercial bottom cleaning products? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I am interested in the feedback too! Thanks to those of you that have purchased HC-1 from this post. Pretty cool! To answer your question JackQ, the cleaner will not attack your bunk carpet. It just goes after the algae. Thanks everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 @SteveMilano If you start shipping internationally please let me know. I am in Australia and am keen to give you my money!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 The boat will have been in all week and will post pics before and after so people can see the results. Does this stuff hurt chrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 colo_skier, HC-1 will not react with chrome. I'll assume your boat was clean last week when you put it in... And with one week of growth you're not going to need a lot of product. If my assumption above is correct, you can pour some HC-1 on a damp rag and smear it around. No need to saturate the hull will the whole gallon. For best results, apply as soon as you pull the boat The rinse off when you get home. I'll have to look into Australia shipping requirements and costs. Ryno, if you shoot me an email with your address via www.aurorachemical.com, I'll get you a shipping quote via FedEx or UPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2015 Here is what I plan on doing. (boat clean going in). HC-1 in spray bottle spray lower hull once on trailer. Let it sit while using vinegar and water to clean the rest of the fiberglass. Come back and spray lower hull with water from a spray bottle to rinse of HC-1. Use wax and shine to finish everything off. Anything wrong with this approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Nothing wrong with this approach at all. It will work nicely for you! Please post results and your photos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 Of course this all depends on my ability to complete a pass anytime soon. :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted September 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2015 @SteveMilano My hull gets dull and hard water scale on it by the end of the season. Will this solution remove this or is it just for algae or organic material? Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 mbabiash... I think the dullness (above the waterline) is an oxidized layer of gelcoat/pigment. I use Mcguires 44 on mine and elbow grease. HC-1 will help if this is the case, but the top layer of gelcoat needs to be buffed away and sealed with wax. Hard water scale... for sure. I'll recommend the 1 pound powder pack mixed into hot water and applied while hot. Depending on how bad the scales are, you may need 2 applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Shipping costs to Australia are ridiculous! Unfortunately HC-1 cannot be shipped via United States Postal Services. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 Here is the before and after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 That was after a week in the water. Stuff worked really well at getting the scum off as you can see. For my application I had to spread it around since I am not so good at spraying upside down. Were it landed it cleaned up the green. I used a spray bottle with water to rinse and then wax and dry afterwards. On some of the more ingrained stuff underneath it did start cleaning. I was not up for getting under the boat though and attacking that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 Sign me up! I'll be ordering some of that. Fantastic results! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 Can this product be shipped to Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slvrbulit Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 I'm sold. will be placing order today. @colo_skier did you spray on and rinse off or did it require scrubbing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 I am going to order some. My boat will be a lot dirtier than that though. @SteveMilano a question for you about application. When I pull my boat I have about a 3 mile drive back to the house. Should I apply the cleaner at the launching ramp and rinse when I get home or is it ok to wait until I get home to apply the cleaner. The bottom will be dried somewhat by then but not totally set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 No scrubbing just spreading to were I didn't spray well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Thanks colo-skier! I'm glad this worked out for you! I can ship to Canada, but it will cost a little more to ship. Please send me an email at stevemilano@aurorachemical.com with your address and I'll provide a quote for shipping. Answer for Chef23. You can apply it either way you described. HC-1 really goes at the algae fresh out of the water though. Good Luck and Thanks Everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2015 BTW I used very little of the product to do this, maybe 1/4 of a pint. I also believe that I could have used a whole lot less if I were to use a cloth and spread it around rather than relying on my spraying ability. Once thing I did notice was a little chalk like residue that rinsed off with the water. So process was spray HC-1, spread about to areas were I didn't spray well wait 2 minutes, rinse with water from another spray bottle spray wax and dry then wipe dry to finish. Also in the pictures you can see that the very bottom of the hull is still discolored. This is because I was to tired to climb underneath to get that. Next time I will hit that area better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 17, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2015 Do you need to wear a mask while spraying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 17, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2015 I did not and the stuff basically sticks to the hull. The consistency is similar to heated maple syrup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slvrbulit Posted September 17, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2015 @SteveMilano super fast shipping on your end, I should have the product tomorrow. Question, my plan is to spray on a the boat ramp when it comes out of the water. Will it still hang on to the boat for the 15 minute ride home? Or should I wait till I get home and spray it on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 17, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2015 @SteveMilano - link to buy above seems to be out of service. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 @SteveMilano Thanks heaps for checking out prices for delivery to Australia. Is there any off the shelf product or chemical that I may be able to find here in Australia that could do a similar job? The results from your product seem amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMilano Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Here's another attempt for the link... http://www.aurorachemical.com/buy-hc-1.html If this does work, just type in www.aurorachemical.com into your web browser and you get to the page. Slvrbulit: I'd at least hit the sides and waterline area lightly at the boat ramp... and other heavy spots. When algae is fully saturated with water it will readily react with the HC-1. Wait on the remainder and hit it when you get home. The white residue that colo_skier spoke of is normal and will happen. Thoroughly rinse the driveway down with water after cleaning. One thing that a lot of folks do by me is take their boats to a self car wash station and clean it there. This may be a good option for people that are picky about their driveway. The white stuff is just the left overs from the HC-1 reacting with the algae... Rinse it away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Marco Posted September 18, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 18, 2015 Looks like a great product. Just placed my order. Looking forward to not spending a day on my back under the boat cleaning the hull! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 19, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 19, 2015 We bought our 07 from a Lake that looked like Red chocolate. The white hull still shows some staining in some nooks and crannies. I hope this can get those areas up to my OCD levels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Just ordered my supply too. Will post before / after pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GWaterski Posted September 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 26, 2015 I bought a spray bottle of HC-1, sprayed it on a dry hull and in minutes it was shiny clean! Amazing product, no damage to anything on boat or trailer. Hull was so clean, had to recalibrate Perfect Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller fu_man Posted September 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 30, 2015 If you watch the product video on the website....What happened to the decals on the side of the boat between the before and after pictures? @SteveMilano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 30, 2015 So, let me get this straight........... Boat Bottom Cleaner=Your Wife......... is no longer acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jpattigr Posted September 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 30, 2015 fu-man, interesting pick up, you are correct that some letters are gone after the cleaning. I wonder if you need to be careful with the cleaner by decals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller colo_skier Posted September 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 30, 2015 @ShaneH, I believe that you have the new non-acceptable formula. It also appears that prior to that there was a natural reduction in the evolution of off-spring of male boat owners that did in fact try to enforce this rule. Either that or the wife unit was shown to have preference for other males of the species and hence the male boat owner was reduced to a boat-less male loner begging for ski rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller WBLskier Posted September 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 30, 2015 Bio kleen is great. It is citrus based so non toxic and the yellow stuff wipes off like butter. It is amazing. Do it when the temp is warm and it works much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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