Baller Glock Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Pondering a new tug, coming off of a 2004 197. I have been looking at several boats over this past summer trying to find the right one. Considering a malibu LX or 196 with ZO as they seem to be in the price range, and dreaming about a sub 30K txi or 200. I have never skied behind an LX. Can someone lend some advice on the wakes and drivability of the LX vs some of the others. Lastly, am I dreaming thinking I might find a sub 30K txi or 200 open bow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 You're dreaming! Wet dream at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 8, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted September 8, 2015 You cant compare the 196 to the LX or TXI. No open bow on the 196 but it will outlast, ski and drive better then the the other 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 You might find a 196 with ZO for 30K. It'll take some looking though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 No chance in hell you can find a 200 or Txi sub $30k. If you can find a 200 below $40k it normally has an ungodly amount of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treyskier1 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Here is a great 196 for sale with ZO under $30k. This boat is spotless. Give Kyle a call. http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=33959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Here ya go. Emailed this guy a while ago...negotiable price. Doesn't have a trailer cuz in AZ never needs one. It's on SanTan Lake Estates, reputable owner. http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=33778 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 I can vouch for the boat @treyskier1 put up. I know Kyle and his boat is his baby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Here's another great 196, low hours, trailer, turn key. http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=33730 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted September 8, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted September 8, 2015 The LX will be the fastest of the 3 with the equivalent HP engine, have a slightly harder wake than the 196, and somewhat comparable to the TXi wake. The LX wake will be low/flat and good at all line lengths. For drivability, the later LX will have the adjustable tab on the rudder to fine tune the rudder torque without grinding. But, an LX needs to be more carefully balanced than the other two boats. It is more susceptible to bad weighting and that affects its drivability the most. You would want a 2009 LX to get ZO, though some retrofit might be possible back to 2007. The 2015 TXi drives great, but is out of your price range. The new motor location improved the tracking. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Glock Posted September 8, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Thanks for the input. The 196 is my favorite, used to have a '99 and loved it. I have to talk the wife out of an open bow, she loved our 197. That said, a 196 is a real possibility. I have seen some txi's and 200's in the low 30k range. A txi recently was on ski-it-again for 32.5 for about 2 days. Maybe a higher hour one in the winter might touch 30k? Just hoping and praying here. Thanks be to god, amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 There's a sub $30k SN200 on boat trader right now if you are willing to risk it on a boat with 1200+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 I have a 2002 LX that we have had since it was new. It still drives and skis great. I know there is a lot of 196 love here and I drive and ski behind a 196 regularly and I don't feel a huge difference. That said if ZO is in the equation ZO equipped LXs are very rare and you will probably struggle to find a ZO equipped LXI at that price. I feel the LX performs more similarly to a 196 the LXI feels bigger to me when driving it and I don't like the seating position as much. That seating position was fixed in the TXI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller brody Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 You can put zero off in the lx back to 2007. We currently use a 08 with zero off. I prefer the wake to the nautiques but that's my opinion. If I was buying a boat for a public lake I would be happier with the malibu. If I was buying one for a private lake I would go with a nautique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Kinda according to where you're located. The one @treyskier1 mentioned is in KY, the one @6balls mentioned is obviously in AZ. The one in KY is owned by a friend of mine. Keeps all his stuff immaculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtjc Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 This TXI may be worth a look: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221874037386 At first glance it appears to be a scam( LX listed but its a TXI, SC registration, no trailer, 500 hours with no speed control), but it does appear to be listed by Tony's Berkshire Boats in MA. I contacted them via eBay today. Its only 3 hours from my office and a friend has a trailer I could borrow to pick it up, I wish I had $30k to take a swing at it. Good luck in your search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Glock Posted September 11, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @vtjc, that TXI on ebay just sold for 27K. I shed a tear on that one. If it wasn't clear across the country from me, I would have taken a stab at that on too. So with a new trailer, that boat just went for 30k. It can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ralph Lee Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hurry up and buy something Mr. Glock! Private lakes are great, but you are a free grazer at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller davemac Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hopefully that $27k gamble pays off for the buyer. It does pique ones curiosity as to how a S.C. registered boat ends up in Pittsfield Massachusetts...without a trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Alberto Soares Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @Kelvin - I would not be afraid of the 200 with 1200 hours, I have a 2010 / 6.0 - with 1100 hours, engine runs perfectly even with our 27.5% ethanol gasoline. The only engine part I changed was a US$120 sensor about 200 hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted September 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2015 I have 1400 hours on my 2011 6.0L 200 and it is still going strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted September 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2015 I've recently switched from an excellent 2004 LXi with 400 hours to a 2005 6L 196 with ZO - For slalom there is no comparison, the 196 is a long way in front. As an all round boat the LXi comes back into the equation but you can't have ZO on the older LXi's which is a deal breaker for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtjc Posted September 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2015 It appears the ’12 TXI is still available in MA. I had bid on ebay and the top bidder couldn’t finance it, so they offered it to me. I don’t have the money, but I hope somebody can research it and get a good deal on a boat. Contact the dealer for more info: relisted http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Malibu-Response-Wakeboard-Ski-Boat-No-Reserve-/221883773563 Tony's Berkshire Boats 483 W Housatonic St, Pittsfield, MA 01201 (413) 443-6475 It lacks a trailer, but has a tower. I briefly talked to the shop about it lacks a stereo, but they claim its very clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Glock Posted September 13, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 Oh man, this is killing me. I wish it was closer. It looks like the transom is beat up somewhat and the pad on the platform is pealing off. But other than that it looks good. I figure with a trailer and shipping, that boat would cost me another 6k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted September 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 Decsription says freshwater only yet the trailer is galvanized. The price is way off and that whole deal looks strange to me, be cautious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MichaelGoodman Posted September 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 @vtjc I was the top bidder on this boat and the seller is a total sleaze bag. Took my trailer and drove 3 hours yesterday to go pick it up. He told us the boat was leased by him to a camp and only driven by one driver. I told him they should fire the driver or teach him how to drive. My 2005 LXI is in way better shape this thing has tons of scratches and dings pictures look better than actual condition. The interior was in better shape than the exterior. The scratches did not scare me away they are only cosmetic and the price was real good. So we put it in the water for a test drive and the thing is leaking water big time from the block around the freeze plugs they had silicone or some similar product on the block trying to stop the leaks obviously some one knew there was a problem. Since the boat had no trailer and they serviced it I am sure they must of not winterized it in time and the block froze. I know we get some long winters up here but it has not frozen yet and I am sure they drove it all summer leaking like a sieve. Also around 2000 RPMS the block had a banging noise coming from it. The owner is a dealer by the way and said he did not know about the problem highly unlikely and the sleaze bag certainly does know and he has it relisted on E_Bay for more money saying its fully serviced and in excellent shape he never even changed the oil and it was down at least a quart. I love his story about me not getting financed I had the cash with me to buy it. The crazy thing is this AH has a 100% feedback rating on Ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Rivvy Posted September 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 Wow! Thanks a ton! You probably saved me a some major disappointment. I was thinking about taking a shot at it as well accept it would have been a 18 hr drive each way for me. Did you low ball him after knowing the real condition of the boat? Probably best to just walk away. We are in same situation. I have an 03 lxi looking to get into a txi or 200. It looked like a good deal. If u ever find yourself in Minneapolis look me up for a pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Glock Posted September 13, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 @MichaelGoodman Wow, that is terrible. Did you give that guy a rating on eBay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MichaelGoodman Posted September 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 @Glock @Rivvy Ebay is definitely going to here about it especially since he relisted it as being in excellent shape. Rivvy I did low ball him (I would have rather punched him in the head but did not want to get arrested and I still thought there might be a chance however slim that he did not know about the problem. He certainly knows now and is trying to find some sucker who buys it sight unseen or knows nothing about engines and does not notice the leaking.) needless to say he did not take the low ball offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MichaelGoodman Posted September 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 @vtjc @Horton vtjc if you did not have money to buy it why did you bid on EBay? Are you the seller by chance? Horton if this guy is the seller he should be banned. If he is not I apologize to vtjc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted September 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 @MichaelGoodman, I thought that too. Why drive up the price on another bidder if you know you aren't a real buyer? What the ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MichaelGoodman Posted September 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2015 That is why it sounds like he is the seller or at least knows him he has no info as to address or a name in his profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2015 I don't know @vtjc but I thought he had made a lower bid that he could afford and the seller contacted him and offered it at the price that won the bid after @MichaelGoodman rightfully chose not to close the deal and @vtjc couldn't afford that price. I do hope there is a way to alert eBay bidders that the boat is not as advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtjc Posted September 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2015 I am not the seller. I bid on it initially, but it went above the amount I had to spend after factoring in a trailer and ZO. @MichaelGoodman sorry I brought this to your attention and you wasted a trip to see it. I can understand your frustration. I wish I had taken the time last week to look at it to save others the hassle. Thanks for posting what you found on here. It seemed like a summer camp boat, with highish hours and no speed control. Sucks the seller wasn’t straight with either of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtjc Posted September 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2015 To show I am not a scammer this is a post I made a while ago after I took a detour on a long trip to check out a Nautique: http://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/forum/classified-group-buy-section/boats-for-sale-by-owner/20230-00-correct-craft-ski-nautique196-on-ebay-craigslist-beware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MichaelGoodman Posted September 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2015 @vtjc Glad your not the seller because he is as real AH he knows the boat has major problems and just wants to dump it on some unsuspecting buyer sure glad I noticed the issues before taking it home. Sorry I thought it may have been you. I have tried to contact Ebay but have not heard back from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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