Baller disland Posted January 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2016 This is about snow ski racing but I thought it was worth sharing - click here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 11, 2016 Administrators Share Posted January 11, 2016 @disland click this link to see why I changed your post California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2016 Taste death, live life. In all seriousness taking risks while ski racing is more the default, thinking too much about not taking them is what gets me hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted January 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2016 @disland - I wonder if anyone else on here besides you and me reads Ski Racing. Maybe a couple. I think risk taking in water skiing applies most to jump. How to incorporate risk into your training in a smart way that limits your potential for injury, but maximizes your progression. I'm going through that with my 16 yr old son now. It's a mix of learning good technique from good coaches, athleticism, cojones, and brains. Very much like the speed events in alpine racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrators Horton Posted January 12, 2016 Administrators Share Posted January 12, 2016 @disland http://media.tumblr.com/fe497dd337d9af8479bb6398b9565d16/tumblr_inline_mg6n5ltl6X1rxe4lt.gif California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JohnN Posted January 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2016 @jimbrake I'm guessing @Drago reads ski racing :) . The author of the article, Dr. Taylor (www.drjimtaylor.com), has some great insights on competition in general, applicable to more than just ski racing if anyone is interested in the mental aspects of competing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted January 12, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted January 12, 2016 ouch my first panda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted January 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2016 @disland - yeah, that was uncalled for by @horton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 12, 2016 Administrators Share Posted January 12, 2016 @jimbrake http://media.tumblr.com/fe497dd337d9af8479bb6398b9565d16/tumblr_inline_mg6n5ltl6X1rxe4lt.gif California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted January 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2016 Bra-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!! Well played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2016 I think its just awesome that there are 2 pandas in this thread and neither one went to the guy who posted the Ski Patrol trailer :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted January 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2016 @oldjeep - right? I'll see your Ski Patrol and raise you a Hot Dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 12, 2016 Administrators Share Posted January 12, 2016 @jimbrake I fixed your post. I could explain why but this seems better. http://media.tumblr.com/fe497dd337d9af8479bb6398b9565d16/tumblr_inline_mg6n5ltl6X1rxe4lt.gif http://media.tumblr.com/fe497dd337d9af8479bb6398b9565d16/tumblr_inline_mg6n5ltl6X1rxe4lt.gif http://media.tumblr.com/fe497dd337d9af8479bb6398b9565d16/tumblr_inline_mg6n5ltl6X1rxe4lt.gif California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JDM Posted January 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2016 This is a somewhat apples to apples comparison between ski racing and water ski short line slalom skiing on the risk taking equation, however, water skiing is so much more of a controlled environment with less variables than ski racing so the big difference is in water skiing you believe one or the other where ski racing you need to evaluate other factors. There are discussions all the time on here about ski paths and what is the optimum path through the slalom course. Some argue it is the fast and narrow which you have to ski at shorter lines, but that feels "risky" and fast, while some say that the more rounded early approach is best. That is much like the more direct lines in ski racing are faster, but don't feel as controlled as a slightly more rounded approach. In my ski racing experience, which was decades ago, it depended on the terrain and course set up that changed with every race which helped dictate the risks you could take and course inspection, understanding of the terrain etc... really guided when to take risks and when not to. Some courses/sections were great for "taking risks" others rewarded a more measured approach. Great article, thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted January 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2016 @jimbrake HotDog best ski movie ever! Just need to cut/fastforward his guitar ballad scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted January 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2016 Ooh the rare triple panda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted January 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2016 thanks @horton - I knew I was doing it wrong. @JDM - here comes your panda. Teach you to talk about snow skiing and how it relates to slalom water skiing. I've certainly learned MY lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted January 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2016 Should this thread be titled "How To Bang Yourself Up" risk taking is for mugs at some point you are going to get hurt or end up deceased. Live for tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted January 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think you've misread. He's talking about allowing the possibility of failure, not injurying yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2016 @Stevie Boy careful getting up off that couch ;) Waterskiing has risk, snow ski racing has a lot more. The article is talking about risk/reward for taking various levels of risk. If you're not falling/crashing occasionally then you are not trying hard enough or you are not trying to be competitive (which is fine). For my part, if I am consciously making a risk decision while skiing then it is already too late and I'd better give up on the run because I'm not thinking about what I need to do to finish. The trick is training your subconscious to get better at making those decisions that you don't have time to "think" about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted January 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2016 I suppose there is a difference between risk and recklessness @oldjeep far from the couch, but well beaten up, in hind sight I would have not taken so many risk, because I now pay the price everyday, still kicking, still pushing, still getting banged up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted January 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2016 Indeed. I claim that nearly all successful people leave behind them a trail of failures. It's because you can't push the envelope, in any field, unless you are willing to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted January 14, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2016 This reinforces how very different alpine ski racing and waterskiing are. I have never seen a triple panda before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted January 14, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2016 @drago - it was because of a posting error, though. Not because I tried to make some alpine to waterskiing comparison that no one, but the alpine skiers would understand or care about. So unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted January 14, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2016 To my knowledge there had only ever been one triple panda recipient (@OB1), so this is a pretty special honor to be worn with pride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted January 14, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted January 14, 2016 at the risk of getting another panda. When I posted this I was thinking about the process of how we go about training. Not how you think in the middle of specific run but more about how we go about improving thru stretching our boundaries and comfort zone. Just like Chet spoke about in the video. If you keep going about your skiing the same way you will not improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted January 14, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2016 For me you can talk about it, think about it, but you only really get it, when you feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted January 14, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2016 I'm not sure that many people here understand risk management... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted January 14, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted January 14, 2016 how about this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted January 14, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted January 14, 2016 how about this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted January 15, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 15, 2016 @jimbrake I didn't even know the panda*3 was yours. I would guess jump is more like alpine (felt similar when I did my 3 total jumps in my life). I agree with what (I think) you said, The closer you get to true alpine racing and knowledge, the less similarly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roberto Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Please do not take risks! I would suggest you push the boundaries of your style gently. Look at your weakness and work on it. Maybe, hips further forward, hands on longer , you have read all the tips. If you cant hold it , throw it, let it go. Their is always the next pass. 27 years of slalom and one lesson learnt, don't take risks. (One very nasty otf that nearly changed my life, where my ambition outweighed my talent). I am planning next season already, with some 'exercise', and visits to some old friends at Extreme-gene in Spain and Swiss ski school, Florida. This sport has fascinated me , challenged me and kept me vital. I met so many interesting people in my skiing career and I wondered why. Skijay sums it up in the last chapter of his book with a comparison to motor racing. We are like minded people. Please do not risk all for one tiny moment. At 57 I am planning many more years of Bouy hunting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 17, 2016 Baller Share Posted January 17, 2016 That is not what the author is saying, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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