Baller pgmoore Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 My neo top is starting to show some wear. A few tears here and there means it's soon time for a new one. Living in Alberta (and being skinny!), I wear my neo top all summer long. I'm not too proud to be warm! What are your favourite neo tops? Has anyone tried the Camaro tops? I know there has been great feedback on the wetsuits. Pro Top (0.5mm) vs Black Tec Shirt (1.5mm) I will definitely lean towards something warm as compared to something cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted June 1, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted June 1, 2016 Um... lets see.. Camaro = perfection .. all others = meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 What @wish said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 I have 3 heater tops, one for each round! I have an O'Neill Hammer 2/1, an Xcel, and an Eagle top. Here are my thoughts on each... O'Neill - I think the 2/1 refers to 2mm of torso thickness and 1mm of sleeve thickness. This is probably the warmest of my tops and is a rear half zip with a long zipper string. Xcel - I really like this top because it has a full front zipper. I think it is designed as a SCUBA dive top. Probably not as warm as my O'Neill, but I think partially because I should have got one size smaller. Eagle - This is my oldest top and I rarely wear it anymore because I like the other two better. This is still a decent top, but I like the other two better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pgmoore Posted June 1, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 That's a strong vote in favour of Camaro from @Wish and @igkya!!! Sounds good to me. What about the Pro Top (silver one) vs Black Tec? Any feedback on that? @Than_Bogan, I think you are a big Camaro guy too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller schafer Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 I love my camaro blacktec(s) I like the one that had green on the inside better than last years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 I have a blacktec long sleeve top that I'll wear down to mid 50's water temp before changing into a drysuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JordanOz Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 +1 for Rip Curl. Look at Their Dawn Patrol tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted June 1, 2016 Supporting Member Share Posted June 1, 2016 Camaro is straight up alien tech. Laws of thermal conductivity do not seem to apply to it. I prefer the blacktec because it's a hair warmer and I can't tell I'm wearing either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MarkTimm Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 What Than said about the Camaro, I am warmer with my heater top in April then I am wearing my Oneil full wetsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 Been skiing with my 2 new Camaro blacktek for the last 2 weeks. Best stuff ever!!! (I m in Canada too) My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pgmoore Posted June 1, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 @Andre - did you find a shop in Canada selling Camaro? I've only been able to find it on US websites. That isn't a really a problem, it's just nice to pay in Canadian dollars and avoid customs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 I bought the Camaro Blacktec on sale last year for $60. It keeps me incredibly warm. Will likely never wear a dry suit or wet suit again. Just go with a heater top Camaro and board shorts down to 60 degrees. Colder than that and I'll be alpine skiing. Aside from being easy to tear there is no downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lakeaustinskier Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 Camaro Blacktec tops are great. Robbys Ski Shop is a great source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 @pgmoore No. A friend who has spend 6 weeks working at Coble this spring brought back my order (6 pairs of MSN gloves and 2 Camaro tops)from the US. No CDN taxes or duty and free shipping to Coble was good enough to compensate for the exchange rate... My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 The blacktec top fits so good that when i'm done skiing a set and take it off, there are dry spots on the inside layer. No wonder we can wear these in such cold waters and still be comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dchristman Posted June 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2016 @pgmoore I have a .5mm Modetec top and a 2mm Titanium LS shorty. The 2mm shorty I would wear into sub 50 degree water, keep on in the boat after skiing and still stay warm. The .5mm top is more of a mid to upper -60 degree air and water top in my opinion (or for those Florida skiers who think 80 degree water is cold). Whereas with the 2mm I don't really feel a wind chill effect, with the .5mm I can if the air is cool. Being further north and probably more tolerant to the cold, maybe it would suit you for colder temperatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sunnydaysmn Posted June 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2016 Most of my skiing is in Minnesota. For a short sleeve top I like the O Neill hammer 1mm. For Long sleeve KSO, not sure if it is made anymore, or ten 80 because it is thick 3 or 4 mm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted June 2, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted June 2, 2016 What ever is on sale at Performance Ski and Surf!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chris55 Posted June 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2016 I have a gooru O'Neil top and I am nice and warm. I have it since 4 years and still like new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted June 2, 2016 Supporting Member Share Posted June 2, 2016 @DaveLemons Whaaaaaat!? :smile: Every person I've ever seen try one has been totally shocked by the warmth vs. whatever they were previously using. In all seriousness, is it possible you have either the wrong size or just plain the wrong thing? Camaro's branding is very confusing (and that may be kind), so you can get some weird stuff that may even have the word Blacktec on it. If you bought yours from Robby's Ski Shop with guidance from Robby herself, and you still don't like it, then I guess I have to fall back on my massage therapist's favorite phrase: "If we were all the same, life would be VERY boring." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted June 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2016 I have an Oneil Hammer 2:1 that is fantastic to wear. Love it. I also have a Rip-Curl full wetsuit that is really warm. Only used it once but it took a while before any water got in. Tight construction. Ski on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 20, 2016 Administrators Share Posted June 20, 2016 I am all Camaro all the time. The Modtec is worth every penny although I would really like a long sleeve spring blacktec for next spring. I have been rocking a prototype 2017 Camaro vest for the last few months. By far the best vest from Camaro to date. I am looking forward to seeing the production version. (I have no idea if the real vest will be like the one I have) As always please get all your Camaro, O'Neill, Rip Curl or Billabong at http://www.perfski.com/ Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vic Posted June 20, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 20, 2016 thanks people I will be getting a Camaro long sleeve Blacktec top as soon as possible. My O'Neill Original top will do for now as water is warming up 67 degrees and 70 degree air today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted June 20, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 20, 2016 I mostly use an Oneil tank top, best for me so far. I also have a 0.5mm Camaro top and a sleeveless 0.5mm shortie, I like the shortie not the top so much. I have tried the new Rip Curl eBomb top, super elastic and comfortable and now it is on the top of my purchase list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bbruzzese Posted June 21, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 21, 2016 i loved my Camaro's as well...had 2 Black Tec tops and the longsleeve shorty...unfortunately durability was so bad had to look elsewhere...I'm liking the Xcel Drylock TDC now...comfy and very warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bbruzzese Posted June 21, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 21, 2016 i loved my Camaro's as well...had 2 Black Tec tops and the longsleeve shorty...unfortunately durability was so bad had to look elsewhere...I'm liking the Xcel Drylock TDC now...comfy and very warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pgmoore Posted June 24, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted June 24, 2016 A local shop special ordered a Camaro top for me, which I picked up tonight. I'm excited to give it a try. It doesn't feel like any other wetsuit I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller nleuth Posted June 24, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 24, 2016 @pgmoore I have the same problem in Northern New York! I just picked up a O'Neill techno butter wetsuit from h2oproshop that I have had great success with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Sivota Posted June 24, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 24, 2016 Billabong Revolution Wetsuit Jacket great - zip means you don't overheat on the deck. Glideskin keeps the wind out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pgmoore Posted June 26, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted June 26, 2016 Skied with my new Camaro top for the first time tonight. The stream of texts with @schafer in the picture pretty much sums it up. @Than_Bogan is right... this thing is straight up alien tech. It shouldn't be as warm as it is. The combination of thinness, comfort, flexibility, and warmth doesn't make any sense. Needless to say, so far I am very impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 @pgmoore I am also a fellow Canuck water skier and looking at the Blacktec top. I am interested in the Camero. Is it difficult to take on and off? Does it ride up on you from the bottom? Any advise on fit or longevity would be greaty appreciated. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pgmoore Posted July 9, 2018 Author Baller Share Posted July 9, 2018 @Shane - First off, I can't recommend the Blacktec top enough. It defies logic as to how warm and comfortable that top is. I am a huge fan and you should go buy one immediately. Putting it on and off - the material is thin and flexible (see logic defying, above), so putting it on and off is way easier than my other, non-Camaro-tops. Does it ride up - nope, it stays in place. Longevity - I've been using this top for three seasons now, with no issues. That being said, I live in Edmonton so I'm not skiing 20 sets a week or anything... The material is for sure a bit delicate. You do have to be a bit more careful not to just drop it on the dock or nick it with things. But with a tiny bit of foresight, I haven't found any problems at all. Seriously... go get one of these. You won't regret it. @schafer may have some things to add here as well. He's just as much of a fan-boy as I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted July 9, 2018 Supporting Member Share Posted July 9, 2018 Advice: Buy it. Result: Be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted July 9, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2018 Keep your fingernails trimmed close or you’ll punch a hole in the top. Treat it with kid gloves, I keep mine on a plastic hanger when not in use. Don’t need a dry suit any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pgmoore Posted July 9, 2018 Author Baller Share Posted July 9, 2018 Yeah, @Than_Bogan summed it up really well. It is as simple has what he said. FYI, Martin Motorsports in Edmonton ordered mine in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted July 9, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2018 Dry very fast when turn inside out ! 2 full seasons on a pair of them,about 150 sets on each,still in very good shape with a couples of littles nicks but i'm not the most careful...By far my favorite ski gear. Did you buy one yet ? My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted July 9, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2018 Love the Camaro Blacktec. As mentioned, handle with care as it nick's easily. Exceptionally warm and comfortable. I am 5'8", 155 lbs. and wish the waist area fit more snug. It is a little loose. Size M. I also like my Eagle heater top a lot. It has taped seems and the sleeves are tapered at the wrists so not to interfere with your gloves. Not sure if Eagle will still tape the seems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Justin_C Posted July 9, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2018 I too am a bean pole and wear one all summer. I am from NB so I'm also familiar with cold. I have had good luck with my Radar top. Got a really good deal through get a grip watersports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted July 9, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2018 ONeill Hyperfreak for water temps above 55F. Camaro Blacktec full suit for water colder than that. Drysuit is retired after the Camaro. BUT, the Blacktec stuff isn't anywhere close to as durable as the ONeill stuff. Not even in the same zip code. So while I agree the Camaro stuff is crazy good in terms of warmth, if you're looking for an every day heater top, I'd get two ONeills and put on a dry one before each set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted July 10, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 10, 2018 Camaro all the way for years now. Long Suit, Shorty, 2 Blacktec Tops, and just last week bought a new Camaro Vest from Performance that is just great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted July 10, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted July 10, 2018 I have a bunch of Camero and love it all, especially my heater top, but 90% of the time I wear a Radar sleeveless heater top. I wear it most of the winter in Orlando, and I haven’t worn anything but in NY since mid-June. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LOTW Posted July 10, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 10, 2018 Anything O'Neill, Gooru or whatever, 1.5mm. I live in Ontario so in the water early and late and use these post and pre wetsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cent Posted July 11, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 11, 2018 My wife has a black Csmsro suit that I think is pre Black Tec. It needs repair. Does Csmsro have a US repair location? Thanks fir any useful information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cent Posted July 11, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 11, 2018 Meant Camaro suit. Phoned changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Thanks for all the advise everyone. I think I am going to try the Camaro top. It sounds like I will not be disappointed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Buoyhead69 Posted July 12, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2018 I use the Eagle Heater top. I have 2; a zip front and a pullover. I absolutely love them both. I ski pretty much every day, I hate skiing cold & I'm thin so I wear them pretty much all year. Both are 2 years old & in great shape. Also, Russell is great and so is Larry. I just had an issue with a vest & they took great care of me. However, after hearing all the praise for Camaro I’m thinking I should try one, sounds like a great product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cent Posted July 12, 2018 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2018 Another Camaro fan here. With water and air temperature at 42 and 46 respectively I preferred my Camaro over my drysuits which I no longer use. When it is that cold I wear the long sleeved shorty over the.5 shirt. It really slows the water gettingvto your back. I am using the silver/grey suits not the black tec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MichaelWiebe Posted August 16, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2021 Has anyone tried the Syndicate dry‑flex wetsuit top? It seems very similar to the Camaro Blacktec. The back zipper may make it easier to put on. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted August 16, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2021 Camaros are not difficult to take on and off, but they are VERY delicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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