Administrators Horton Posted August 5, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 5, 2016 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lcgordon Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 Complete lie unless im not seeing something you cant buy it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrix Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 @lcgordon well, that's not possible even if someone could see something because it is not available to buy yet. Let's wait. I tried the supershell 1.0 and returned it after a couple of hard crashes during the same set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lcgordon Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 Yeah it says in the video available at reflex site but its not. It should say available at site on this date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 @lcgordon It's Launching at Nationals with the rest of the 2017 Products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lcgordon Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 I see ya now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 5, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted August 5, 2016 @lcgordon I can't tell you how frustrated it makes me when readers first response is to go negative Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 5, 2016 Supporting Member Share Posted August 5, 2016 I get the frustration, but this particular "hype video" is a little unreasonable. It shows absolutely nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lcgordon Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 @Horton It was more of a joke but still did not realize they were not waiting to launch it. It clearly states at the end of the add available on the website so I got excited to check it out and nothing is there. They could have said launching at nationals or something. Not everybody is up on everything current. I was just excited to see the new boot design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 5, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted August 5, 2016 @lcgordon understood Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 5, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted August 5, 2016 @Than_Bogan it is called marketing Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ISP6ball Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 It made people mad, so it must be poor marketing, ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 @ISP6ball did it make people talk about it? - Therefore the marketing worked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Gloersen Posted August 5, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2016 @Than_Bogan - have to disagree with you just a tad. It shows a cool beating heart gif, ECG rhythm strips, the 4th of which with such ST segment elevation might be indicative of an impending MI, the 5th strip perhaps V-fib. Not to mention the speedometer exceeding 200+ mph. Who knows, maybe this new binding system is a heart-attack on the water waiting to happen; any adrenaline rush is good. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 @rico - I completely agree. Particularly I like the fact that at-least in appearance Reflex is manufacturing a shell for the product instead of coapting 1990's rollerblade boots. The one feature it seems like none of the manufacturers have dialed in yet is a cant adjustment either built into the plate, the boot, or even just the cuff. Would seem like the easiest way to pull this off is to have a cuff which the pivot bolt sits into a toothed track (like mikrojust plate) you could then move the angle joint axis up/down on the medial/lateral side of the boot and generate a canted cuff. We see the adaptation of the base of the shell to attempt to lock it to the plate - why not allow the cuff to be aligned neutrally on the boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 Someone get some pics at nationals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 Connelly pulled a rabbit out of the hat with the #iskiconnelly promotion. A good example of clever marketing and leverage of social media.. If I had to hand over the folding stuff for this video... well. Things that make you go hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 Not nice when company which pretends to be serious uses pokemon-style marketing. I decided not to open their page for 1 month minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 Those that are "mad" or "dislike" it are still talking about it...good marketing outcome like or dislike it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller parkerc2112 Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 @Gloersen maybe a STEMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 Go to face book search (skiing in motion) and Jon Travers talks about the new edge boot and binding plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 If people are talking negatively about your company as a result of an attempt to market a new product.... That is not good marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Gloersen Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 @parkerc2112 - indubitably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrix Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I think we are overreacting here. Let's wait and see if the product is good or not. If it is we will for sure buy it, if not then not. Who cares about the marketing campaign? These are small waterski equipment companies focused on their product, it is not as if they had an army of marketeers behind. At least that's the way I see it. Boycotting the site because we don't agree with a marketing campaign? Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted August 6, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2016 Their target group is not a cat that would chase artificial mouse. That kind of message in my mailbox happens only once - welcome to spam filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted August 7, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2016 I really don't care, just want a heel cup that last more than 2 sets. They can market anyway they want as far as I care as long as the result are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 7, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2016 Only thing they did wrong is lack of actual hook. Companies do this all the time only they have just enough sneak peek to make you speculate about what it will be. A detail photo of something weird or what not. Mostly here it's a click on click off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 9, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2016 Guess it is one little teaser after the next. Drip drip drip. I like the new toe cup vs bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrix Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I think there is still a bar behind the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 9, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2016 I see that now...strange. What would be the purpose of the cap then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 9, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted August 9, 2016 So you guys hate the videos but you can hardly wait to see the product. Seems like success to me Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 9, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2016 drip drip drip does work. If it was just the one...meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 It is only successful if the product is as significant as the hype. Otherwise, it can have the reverse effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 Super Shell 2.0 Introducing the Reflex SuperShell 2.0 The 2017 SuperShell is designed for increased performance on the water and around the buoys. The new hardshell water ski binding has even a more secure feeling on the ski and new additions of a binding draining system, new alloy buckles, and easier integration with the popular R-style rear binding and more! The shell is slightly larger for more comfort on the feet. http://reflexwaterskiusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Reflex-SuperShell-2.0-G10.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 Interesting only one toe loop and a fender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lcgordon Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 Wonder if how different it skis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller parkerc2112 Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 Sure hope the plastic toe piece is stronger than the heel cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fehlindra Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 The vid says reinforced heelcup! i got the new one as replacement for my supershell but the front edges of the heelcup doesn't even touch my binding neither does the build up under the shell do so its no extra support of the shell (there is no chance the new heelcup gonna break cos im not in contact with it) it so much "lagg" on my offside so i must solve this by mounting an angle iron with adjuster knobs to push/hold the inside sidewalls of the shell to achieve an laggfree offside its lagg on the onside as well but not so much, i hope they changed this on the new one @Wish not sure but maybe the purpose of the cap is to replace things like this on the bars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 Why tape up that bar? Does the shell rock side to side there under the second horseshoe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 Wonder if they did anything for release where the treads were cutting into the holes in the release frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fehlindra Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 @BraceMaker yes its lagg there too but solved that with rehab tejp but the lagg further back is still remain gonna fix that with an angle iron thingy, haven't seen the new heelcup 2.0 on the inside but cant imagine they have changed so much that it gonna solve the lagg or the weak inside of the shell, some people maybe like it but i dont, i bought it to get more edge control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 9, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2016 Did the scarpa boot fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ISP6ball Posted August 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2016 @OB1 apparently it's part of their marketing strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrix Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 @Wish who knows. We will have to take a close look to figure out the details of the system. The other thing that is not obvious is in what way the R-Style rear is better integrated as they claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2016 Heel cup looks notched in rear. Check strap seems to go to the side of the shell. Perhaps allows heel ledge to be taller? Release looks unchanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2016 I would need to see it but I am not sure what the value in the plastic toe cap is if the bar is still what holds the boot in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted August 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2016 Toe cap to soften impact on body parts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Gloersen Posted August 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2016 Just speculating but the toe cap likely extends aft and under the toe of the shell (not seen in pic) to create more "connection" with the plate. This may enhance tip pressure as well as "edge control". It's an easier fix than reshaping the shells which are not initially designed for slalom ski use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 10, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 10, 2016 @Gloersen that is the best explanation so far..good thinkn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted August 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2016 @OB1 I think for the most part Radar and HO were both sold out of their boots for this year. I was trying to get boots from both to test on the MOB release system. Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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