Baller BlueSki Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 I know many run the R-style rear (as well as rear toe straps) for reasons discussed elsewhere. I am curious about what other rear boot set ups people are using and how they have worked out. (I found a 2015 Reflex/Vapor post, but no updates.). I am using double reflex after using the r-style in the past and so far, so good. I have heel pads in both of my boots and it keeps my rear heel from feeling anchored. Just curious about what others are running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 My son uses a RTP and I skied on a Reflex front with a RTP for a fall. I know some folks that ski Reflex front with Wiley rear. The nice thing about a Wiley rear is that you can easily get it close to the front which I think is tough with double hard shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller david_ski Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 R-style. I had double Fluid Motions prior to the change to Reflex withR-style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller keithh2oskier Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 I am sporting an early/mid 2000's vintage HO Animal. I do not tighten the laces to make it easier to come out (god-forbid). Note with my original Animals I have never come out of my boots. When I got my reflex Supershell I was concerned that the front might pop off without coming out of the rear so that is why I don't cinch the laces. I also had a hard time adjusting to the boot when I first started and was cinching the rear laces. I tried loosening them and started skiing better so I just never went back. I would like to give a RTP a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Marco Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 What is behind my Reflex? A scarred up shin. 16 stitches over the last 2 years. Now I ski with a soccer shin guard under a neo sleeve. But seriously, I have a D3 Leverage rubber binding for my rear boot. I use a custom molded orthodic as a foot bed, and it gives me really good connection to the ski. Tried skiing with a RTP years ago, but couldn't make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baller Chef23 Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 @Marco my son has been skiing on Reflex for slalom and trick for 8 years and I have never had to take him for stitches. I know that some people have had issues but maybe we have just been lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted September 1, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted September 1, 2016 Home built. Working well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OKSkier Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 Vapor strada and a soccer shin guard like @Marco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller parkerc2112 Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 Wylie rtp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 R-style with 3/16" spacer under heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller phauswirth Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 Radar HRT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BCM Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 Currently a Wiley rear behind my supershell. At some point this fall I am considering giving the RTP a shot. I came from 10 seasons on PowerShells and am enjoying the setup. I can get my back boot real close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 R-style. Works really well. @Marco same problem, haven't had stitches but multiple dings in the shin has forced me to adopt the shin guard for this coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 1, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 For those using Vapor boots, Wiley, etc., any issues with clean releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skifan Posted September 1, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 1, 2016 I have an FM Evo rear that I modified the toe so the Reflex release would work. Works well for me. I little more support that than the R-style and you can adjust the ankle flex with the top strap. Never any type of release issue and no scared shin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @Marco @rockdog I have a system that cures that problem! @Wish I used that setup long ago... I now use a half boot rear...'M' style...lol Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller richfoster Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 Radar HRT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 R-Style behind the Supershell...Skied on Powershells since 94...This is the best system I have ever used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Nando Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 R-style, but I'm waiting for a Maha heel holder to duplicate Wish's setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 Behind my Vapor boot I have an open toe Radar Vector without the top lace, I've been doing some rear boot testing the last couple of weeks and just gone back to this boot because it works so well. I have ground the feather frame away and hard mounted it to a D3 rear plate. No issues with releasing either because I don't run any real tension on the upper lace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chuck_Dickey Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 Supper Shell & R-Style rear. Kicked myself once in a release fall, haven't since and I've released quite a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @mmosley899 Why would your system cure the shin issue? Banged up shin comes from the front boot hitting the shin of the back leg in certain release situations not from the Reflex release mechanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BCM Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @blueski - I haven't had any issues. I have only released a couple times, but when I did both feet came out clean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @DanE according to my skiing friends that use Reflex it is from the release mechanism hitting their shin, not the boot. I have been using a releasable hard shell for over twenty years and never had an injury from the boot hitting my shin. Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 A second reflex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted September 2, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted September 2, 2016 @skidawg How the heck do you count on them releasing at the same time when needed? Seams like one could release and then a millisecond later (perhaps to late) the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @mmosley899 The rare occasions I ´ve hit my shin it´s been the boot, know several people who had the same experience. Not sure how the release mech is ever going to make it´s way into the shin. @OB1 Supershell or regular black? From what I have seen the supershell looks very stiff, I use the regular black with cuff cut down and the sole flattened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @Wish - no idea. I hope i don't find out! But for now i am off velcro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 2, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 Practice pb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted September 2, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted September 2, 2016 @OB1 Front boot is set for the back leg to be out in the first place before it releases. That "only front foot still on the ski" release load is known and set in the adjustment of the binding and tested like snow ski binding on one ski. With 2 in Reflex on the same ski, the veriable of what does it take to pop the back with the front locked in or the front with the back locked in and both at the same time could be hard to test and figure out on dry land or other wise. But, I believe TW is on that set up sooo.... As for the twisting...yes MOB is on target with that element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 2, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted September 2, 2016 @skidawd, mine is similar, but supershell front, white cuff back. I figure if I have enough force to release the rear, I will likely have enough on the front. Knowing Terry Winter runs it too gave me confidence in the set up. Flex in the rear ankle feels good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted September 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2016 @DanE if you are correct and it is the boot hitting the shin, then it is because the toe of the boot is locked in so that the boot must move backwards to come out as the rear foot is coming forward. Not the best design, but it does release in one direction. Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 3, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2016 @Wish - @skidawg doesn't fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller blakeyates Posted September 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2016 mmosley899, will the Front MOB attach properly to the spine design on the New HO VTX? My concern is the very front under the MOB lever that you pull up to release the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller PT Mike Posted September 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2016 @BlueSki I'm running a Wileys mid wrap behind my Relex. I've stuffed the tip a few times on my offside and got a nice clean release every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller brody Posted September 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2016 R style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted September 14, 2016 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2016 @blakeyates I have seen the new VTX, but I have not tried to put a mounting plate on one yet. If you get one, send it to me and I will get it set up for you! Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted April 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 25, 2017 For those who are using a rear Wiley with a hard shell front. Which Wiley rear boot do you use? The high wrap or the mid wrap? Thinking of trying the new syndicate hardshell with Wiley rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted April 25, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted April 25, 2017 I am also curious what HO is recommending for the double high wrap skiers that want to try their new hardshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattL Posted April 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 26, 2017 R Style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bkreis Posted April 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 26, 2017 R style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller parkerc2112 Posted April 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 26, 2017 RTP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Garn Posted April 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 26, 2017 @BlueSki I have the HO VMax Choptop for my rear with the HO hardshell front. I love the setup. No problems with the rear foot coming out when you need it to. Matter of fact, when I'm done skiing I just pull my rear foot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303Skier Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 RTP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted April 26, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted April 26, 2017 That chop top looks interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted April 27, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 27, 2017 willey mid wrap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted April 30, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 30, 2017 Is anyone using a Radar HRT? That was my plan to convert to this ski season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted April 30, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 30, 2017 Perhaps it is a silly question: now mounting HO hardshell received few days ago. I'm using rubber RTP and one of legs of release unit is right above my rear big toe. Could it hit big toe during crash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Gloersen Posted April 30, 2017 Baller Share Posted April 30, 2017 @OldboyII - should not be any issues. In an OTF or release the back foot (toe) will be out of the loop before the release mechanism effectively hinges backward. The big toe may feel the release bar during the pass a bit but it's easy to get accustomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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