Baller skidawg Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 Kinda like 7-Up was the “uncola” - Look forward to having fun again….for less than the price of Regionals or Nationals, I get 6 rounds of skiing, a fun team format, t-shirt, dinner on Saturday night and a great time hanging out with skiers who just want to have some friendly competition. This is what tournaments used to be like…. Click Here for more details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 25, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 25, 2017 Cant wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 Awesome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ktm300 Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 It's a long way to travel for us but, my daughter and I are going. Want to support this path. Sure it will be fun. Kinda sick and tired of the old way which turns something that is supposed to be fun into something that feels more like going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 25, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just a thought, Insurance? Joe you might want to see to it competitors have proof of health insurance. Again just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RazorRoss3 Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 That looks like it could be really fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 25, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 25, 2017 Hmmmm... Between these and the BOS tournaments... The future of skiing in tournaments. Well, at least for me if I can swing it. Well done @skidawg.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted January 25, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 @Jody_Seal, every mountain bike, road race, tri I have ever competed in, 5k marathon, etc. participants don't have a gov't body insuring them from physical injury during the event. (personal responsibility). Every citizen is now required by law to purchase health care coverage. I really don't think this is a factor for our tournament format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted January 25, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 25, 2017 @skidawg Just in case, SPORTSINSURANCE.COM will insure your site, including tournaments, at a fraction of what others charge. Sounds like a fun event! Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 25, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 25, 2017 I believe it is called the totally affordable healthcare act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 25, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 25, 2017 Thanks Ward, Just thought I would pass on some insight. And as for the every citizen is required to have insurance reminder there is a new Sherriff in town and that law is gone! or soon to be. Please keep in mind I am all in for what you all are going to doo, however I firmly believe in CYA ! Viva La Revolution!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LLUSA Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 @skidawg you might want to check I don't think IWWF will let "pro skiers" ski in events that are not sanctioned, just sayin. Good luck with the show!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 25, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 25, 2017 @LLUSA what is the definition of a pro skier? I have a usawaterski average of a couple of 39 but I make more money in the sport than most elite athletes. Am I the shittiest professional skier in the world or am I the most famous mediocre skier in the world? Am i allowed to ski at Joe's event? Furthermore what is the definition of an event? If a bunch of guys get together and throw 100 bucks in a hat is that an event? If a legit Elite athlete skis at an unsanctioned event what is iwwf going to do? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted January 25, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 @LLUSA anyone and all are welcome- pro's or Joe's. Governing bodies are irrelevant for our festival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 Both events are already half full with several 36mph and 34mph "open" skiers registered. I don't believe they are concerned with IWWF. But if so, we'll use aliases :smiley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 25, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 25, 2017 AWSA rule book 3.01 Amateur and Professional Status There shall be no distinction between amateurs and professionals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 25, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 25, 2017 @Jody_Seal that's a relief because I was super worried about the hundred dollars of professional prize money I won in 1988. I really need to maintain my amateur status in case we get into the Olympics. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 25, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 25, 2017 @Horton Me too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted January 25, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 Really no luck involved anyway. Build a better widget and it will sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LLUSA Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 @OB1@Horton@skidawg, I'm just going off past experience when we tried to run an unsanctioned cash event at LLUSA and where told by then IWSF if we didn't sanction it actions would be taken against all involved. @Horton I guess there's no distinction only that of Open. I think it's a great idea just hope he can pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ski6jones Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 "told by then IWSF if we didn't sanction it actions would be taken against all involved." Really? What business is it of theirs? - Private site - Unaffiliated with a governing body Overreach much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted January 25, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 Maybe they will fill the lake in??? Send swarms of locusts and bees, government entities are ruining everything from hobbies to countries. Blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted January 25, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted January 25, 2017 Ah, plagues of locusts. OLD school retribution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 25, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 25, 2017 @LLUSA I feel bad for the pro skiers that participated in the Herbs Cup last year and all the pros that have skied at INT events in years past. When they all get kicked out of the sport I might be open rated. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 Are these in addition to or the alternative of the BOS handicap events for 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted January 25, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted January 25, 2017 On a more serious note, I sincerely hope none of our governing bodies are resorting to the type of intimidation and retribution suggested. That would be deeply sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 26, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 26, 2017 @Than_Bogan be serious Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 When not sking I'm 1 of those sorry bass tournement guys were pros are not allowed they define a pro as anyone that's paid what pros pay to enter tournaments in the last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jcamp Posted January 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 @Than_Bogan do you have any evidence that they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted January 26, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted January 26, 2017 @jcamp None whatsoever. Indeed, part of my "point" is that I'm highly skeptical something like that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jcamp Posted January 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 Now I got it. Thanks Than. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller elr Posted January 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 Congrats @jdarwin you have figured out a way to take out the "cheating" factor by removing the ranking list that 90+ percent of the TOURNAMENT skiers don't need. I really believe that the "beer league" format is a compelling way to grow tournament skiing. I think a beer league NationaIs without qualifying standards and team entry would be very compelling to industry sponsors. I would like to talk about your risk management protocol next time we see each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted January 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 This is going to route of figure skating. Basically what happened is the myriad of rules and cost at the high level for those trying to go to the Olympics pushed out everyone else except the elite. So the local rinks who wanted to promote skating formed a different league. Now there is ISI vs USFSA. The high end still exist because of TV money. Take it away and they are done because it cant support itself. Maybe the next step is the BOS ranking list. Only boat judges, no fees, no surveys, no equipment, no camera's, no judge ratings, no driver ratings, no scorer ratings, no insurance arguments, no national meetings. More sponsor $$ because guess who buys skis and boats? Badabing better outcome for most involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 Who the hell wouldn't want to come to the Beer League Nationals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 26, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 26, 2017 Hmmmm I believe the format of beer and skiing was successful. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted January 26, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 26, 2017 I recognize those stills. That tournament was just down the road from me. Looks like they are from the old ESPN broadcast. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller John Brooks Posted January 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 I think @disland is on to something. Often I have thought that Open skiers should fall under the IWWF and only have one rule book to follow. The rest of us, well maybe the Beer League and a Cartoon League for the kids, makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted January 27, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2017 The funnest 30-40 or so events (of any kind) I have ever been too are the 30-40 or so college events I skied. There was great skiing, good skiing, bad skiing, occasional naked skiing, a pleasant lack of rigid organization, a sh*t ton of booze and T & A, and an occasional building or car fire to lighten the mood. Its a good model for all that is right with the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller nleuth Posted January 27, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2017 Join the Wednesday Waterski League for 2017! We had a blast! Had a team of mostly non tournament skiers, and it gave everyone an excuse to get together at least 5 nights a summer. Great prizes and format! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted January 27, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2017 I dont want to risk my sponsorships! right now I sponsor Malibu, Goode, D3, Reflex, Masterline,Wiley Oneill, Underarmor, Edge bindings thinking about taking on Radar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted January 27, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 27, 2017 But @teammalibu it's ur $$$ put it where it counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY1969WARREN Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 When I founded the Marine World Jumping Championships the AWSA refused a sanction and threatened that any participants would be "banned for life". We continued and each year added more and more cash prizes for the participants. They relented and offered a sanction several years later and I accepted it without paying for it out of principal, no complaints about that. We paid the top 15 skiers for qualifying to the weekend's competition, with 15th place earning $250.00, the top prize one year was about $15K, not bad for the 70's, not sure if that was ever topped...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted January 27, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 27, 2017 well there you go! threaten a ban for life, because obviously individuals can't ski without the approval of the government. typical politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gmut Posted January 27, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2017 @skidawg wow, I better cancel my AARP membership AWSA might have a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted January 27, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2017 I worked all the early Marine World events, as Technical Controller/Chief of meters. So did several rated AWSA judges. I was not made aware of the AWSA stuff, but I would have worked them anyway. And, participated in any lawsuit. Fortunately, the AWSA smartened up. I was only aware of any problem one when year when Marine World added Tricks to the event. Initially, a Mens Jump event. Then later, they added Slalom, Team Jumping, and Women Jump. Marine World was a milestone event in the history of the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted January 28, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 28, 2017 Oh yeah forgot to mention 5 hour energy and Jose Cuervo! See you there Amigo's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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