Baller skinut Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just curious about some of the worst/least helpful ski advice you have ever received. Mine was from a pro that was coaching me. After watching my ski pass the only thing he said after my pass was, "turn harder". I asked him what he meant by that and he followed up with, "just turn harder". In the back of my mind I was thinking, "Um, ok, I get the general principle but please describe the things I need to do to make that happen." oh, and I was also thinking, how do I get my money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm repeatedly told don't turn so hard. Can't say I've been given bad advice but I have been disappointed by going to coaches and them not letting me run the course. I get it, you need good fundamentals but at ~$80 a whack it's hard to free Ski and give it your all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 12, 2017 Administrators Share Posted July 12, 2017 @skinut haaa I have been meaning to start this thread for a long time. "Counter Rotate as much as you can at the ball" "At the end of the turn bend your knees as much as possible" "When you reach, push the handle out and back" And from the late 70s /early 80s the best Terrible advice is .... "pull the handle into your chest at the end of the turn and keep it there." Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted July 12, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted July 12, 2017 When @Horton told me that the Elite was a good ski and I dropped some hard earned cash on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "The course isn't symmetrical. The distance from 1 to 2 isn't the same as 3 to 4 so ski it that way." Also "I believe you need to be able to run your opener on a wooden disk before you can consistently do it in a tournament. You need to try 34 22 on a wooden table top and see what happens" These are serious ideas from the same person. I have more but I'll leave it at these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 Oh, one more. "Turn so hard that you stretch the rope enough to create more distance between you and the boat" I'm not even sure what the idea behind this one was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller keithh2oskier Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 @Ilivetoski keep them coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller keithh2oskier Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "just get wider" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "get your hips up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "Bend your knees" Developed a squat that I still fight daily. Everyone was trying to emulate Wade Cox as he was the new wonder kid when I started. Should have been looking at Lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 12, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted July 12, 2017 Apparently, the worst advice is from @Horton when he said to clench the butt cheeks. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "We need more ski in the water, well just put your boots as far forward as possible, give me your ski." *did not give him my ski* "Pin your chin to the bottom of your neck" at this point I just let everything he said go in one ear and out the other "Just lean harder! That's all you gotta do at 35 off!" *ended in an OTF with a shoulder injury that kept me off the water for 2 weeks. This was when I decided to stop listening to him* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 9400 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "You need a quicker edge change" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BobF Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "Don't buy a lake". Didn't listen. For ski advice, it's probably a toss-up between "Pull as hard as you can" and "In the turn, rotate immediately to face directly across to the other side of the lake" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 you need to pull harder, like you are trying to get to shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scorban2 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 When learning to slalom, I was told/read to put my dominant foot in the back, since that's what you used to turn. I never switched feet once I realized it was wrong (tried and quickly gave up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller greg Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "more weight on your rear foot" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 Stand on your Balls @ToddL !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 12, 2017 Administrators Share Posted July 12, 2017 @MISkier unless you came to my parents ski school in the 80s you never heard me say that or you misunderstood me making fun of terrible coaching Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 pull your nuts off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 Less is more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "If your on the fence between the 65" or 67" get the longer ski, you'll be able to ski longer without getting tired." 2006 At the time I was 3 lb over the recommended range of the 65" and knew nothing about performance skis. I never liked that 67" ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Booze Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "make a good edge change" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 @skidawg - ha!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 I don't know if this was the best or worst advice ever, but it was damn funny either way.And it was a great set after he said this to me : "don't take this the wrong way, but on this next pass, try not to fall" - Andy Mapple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jcamp Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "Turn when you hear me whistle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted July 12, 2017 Supporting Member Share Posted July 12, 2017 Wow, this is making me realize I really haven't received a lot of bad advice. But I did have one similar to @Bill22 where "the expert" on a particular ski insisted that I go with a 68". I argued that was much too big, but he was certain. With my knowledge today, I would have gotten off that ski after a week. Not only did my performance suffer, but there was really nothing useful to learn from it. But I was dumb and spent a year on it. Oh well, it was still fun to ski! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 Switching the feet around of an established skier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted July 12, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted July 12, 2017 Not the worst, but possibly the funniest: a well known skier told me to do something that I completely failed to do. After the pass he said "your memory is about as long as my penis". I wish I thought faster and would have replied "what did you just say? I forgot" If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "Stop..." or "Don't..." Telling someone what not do do just causes them to visualize that exact wrong thing, inadvertently reinforcing the wrong action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted July 12, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted July 12, 2017 "Maybe you should try golf." I've received this advice from practically every coach that has watched me ski. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 @Than_Bogan the guy who gave me that advice runs a good snow ski proshop in the winter :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MillerTime38 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "Don't get so wide at the gate" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted July 12, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 12, 2017 "You're letting go of the handle with the wrong hand" ...yes, a guy actually said that to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_quail Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 "Just lean away from the boat more" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkibumOSU Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 This advice wasn't aimed at myself, but at one of my teammates who was jumping during one of our tournaments in southern Ohio. After crashing, our team president decided to give my teammate the following advice: "ABSORB THE RAMP!" He's not a jumper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkibumOSU Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 "Just do it." -Kevin Dammeyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dirt Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 From Horton Everything he says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 @Dirt agreed. @Horton called me today and we talked about my skiing. Gave me some mediocre advice at best. Then he gave me some of the best advice "get some professional coaching". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigskieridaho Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 Get up on two skis and then just kick one.... No thanks, I will get up on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 13, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted July 13, 2017 @Horton, my post was intended as good natured ribbing. While I did not specifically witness you impart the "glute clench" advice to anyone, you did indicate you felt it was bad while chastising me for repeating it in this thread: Glute clench is bad Read your response to me offering that same advice. Hence my contribution to this thread as bad advice received. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 Try harder!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopowpow Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Pull! pull hard all the way to the ball, don't start your turn until you are wider than the ball! Push hard on that back foot when doing a deep water start. (When I was a kid from my sister's ex-a$$hole) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 The more I think about this the more I remember how much "advice" I got from this specific coach. One other bit of coaching I got was "look, if you wanna ski well in the tournament on Saturday, take the week off. Practicing will do nothing but wear down your body." This "coach" was not in the boat 90% of the time he decided to give me "tips" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members acmx Posted July 13, 2017 Members Share Posted July 13, 2017 @Ilivetoski I think you've been traumatized!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted July 13, 2017 Supporting Member Share Posted July 13, 2017 @mopowpow Wow, those are bad! And I bet a lot of people have heard both of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fam-man Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 Use your back foot to push the ski around in the turn Never, never, for any reason take a hand off the handle. Two hands all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 @Ilivetoski I would have given up on your "coach" Loooooonnngggg before hearing any of those tips.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 @Fam-man I learned to ski the course in the late 70s and the skis didn't turn like they do know. Kick the ski around with the back foot was somewhat required back then. If you had an old school coach they might still be thinking like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller keithh2oskier Posted July 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted July 13, 2017 I think @Ilivetoski should write a book. $hit my waterski coach says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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