Baller Ilivetoski Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 Was getting gas the other day at a Marathon and saw this above the pump... pretty cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller h2onhk Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 now if they could just get the price of 93 back down below $3-gal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 What boat do you have that requires 93? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 ^my thoughts too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller h2onhk Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 @LeonL , 2007 196. I've always run premium in my boats. Probably overkill, but i figure if I take good care of my engines they'll take good care of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moffattra Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 awesome! gotta be mid-west? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Keith_Menard Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 Same here...I always run premium. I run it in my lawn equipment too...seems to have more staying power for engines that aren't used every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MuskokaKy Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 #alwaysberunnin'premium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigskieridaho Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 Don’t see that everyday....Or hardly ever. Run Premium in my boat too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tjs1295 Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 I've seen that exact same picture on two full size billboards around where I live (north central Wisconsin). It's an ad for a credit union, and it says "We finance summer fun". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynaSkiPete Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 The best fuel for any toys is non ethanol fuel. If you run 15% ethanol fuel (E85) your warranty is usually void. I use Stabil in all my off road toys fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted May 31, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted May 31, 2018 Premium fuel with ethonal is a joke and waste of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 I run premium in lawn equipment but not my boats, ethanol free 89 for the boat if its available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 Cool ad. Regular 87, a bottle of STP at each oil change, and a bottle of Stabil over the winter, kept our 92 MC running like a top for 22 years / 1,400 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aspski Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 Isn't boat gas (purple gas) 91 or higher anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted May 31, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted May 31, 2018 Boats do not need the octane level of premium gas, they are under 10:1 compression ratio and run very cool compared to automotive, the radiator is enormous. Cool ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 Great ad. FWIW I run premium because it's all we can get here that's ethanol-free. I have 23 hours on my boat, after buying it in March of 2017. The extra cost unfortunately doesn't mean a thing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 The new H6 direct injected 6.2 likes 93 octane and will make max power on it. It doesn't hurt it to run all the way down to 87, but the ECM will detune it by taking timing advance away reducing horsepower. The older 6.0 is fine on 87 octane and does not detune on it. I'm 100% in agreement on non-alcohol fuels if you can find them. There are too many downsides to inducing alcohol into a marine environment to list with no upside (OK maybe cheaper). If you have to buy premium to get alcohol free, in my opinion it is well worth it. The other advantage to premium in applications that don't require it is longer shelf life. If the statistic of losing one octane point per month of storage is true, you can buy 93 octane and still be at 87 octane if left in the boat (or low sales volume marina tank) for six months. (I am sure stabil or seafoam help minimize the loss in octane over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 I always ran Premium non-ethanol in my SN196. I figured it cost between 50 and 75 cents extra per set compared to regular. Pretty minimal expense in the grand scheme of things. I had good ski buddies who paid for gas, so I guess I transferrred the expense to them...no one complained and the boat always ran great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2nh Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Premium in all the boats I have ever owned, lawn stuff, and sadly it is required in my AMG Mercedes, Lancer EVO and daughters STI. Should have been an oilman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 @Onside135 yeeeahhh, I'll bet they're bringin the premium... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynaSkiPete Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Here is a tip to find ethanol free gasoline. Find out where the local farmers get their fuel. Most old farm equipment won't fun well on fuel with ethanol. That's correct the farmers that supply the corn to make it don't want to use it in their machines. My brother in laws are farmers. They buy 87 octane non ethanol gas for farm use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted May 31, 2018 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2018 @liquid_d. No one was bringing gas. I trailered the boat to the ski lake every time, and I'd put the gas in at the pump...Shell 93 Octane Non-Ethanol. Ski buddies would bring cash and leave it in my glove box at the end of each ski day. Guys who didn't bring cash would usually get the bar tab at Outback or On The Border after skiing. It was a good system.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Orlando76 Posted June 1, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2018 I’m probably running higher compression then most any real ski boat here. I’m getting by with 87 octane and 10% corn with no pinging and no problems. Had to take some timing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynaSkiPete Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Taking some timing out is lowering the power of the motor. There are motors (vehicles mainly) that run fine on 10% ethanol fuels. In the service manuals for vehicles if you run 15% ethanol fuel it calls for more frequent or shorter service intervals. Given a choice I avoid the stuff. All motors run better and last longer it appears with less ethanol fuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DaveD Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 I bet Saban wished he'd seen this billboard before he had his team come hang out for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted June 2, 2018 Supporting Member Share Posted June 2, 2018 Ethanol is so silly. Especially when you could be using all that corn to make chips and Mountain Dew! Mmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JackQ Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Premum fuel has zero benefit for an engine that does not require higher octane for a high compression ratio. The higher octane results in slower composition required for high compression engines to avoid knocking, thought almost all modern engines retard the ignition to avoid knocking and only result in a slight decrease in HP at high rpm. There is one additional benefit of premium fuel; higher profits for oil compani, refineries and gas stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted June 2, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2018 Ya'll read and follow your owners manuals on gasoline requirements and send the savings to me once a month or so. Who if not the manufacturer has more interest in the performance and longevity of its marine engine product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller h2onhk Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 Well I guess I have been wanting my money all these years. I stopped at a couple different stations the last few times i filled up and looked around for a sign detailing the amount of ethanol. Several of them stated < =10%. We need an app that shows ethanol free fuel stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 pure-gas.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller hemlock Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 I only run premium fuel (93) because it's the only marked gas I can get in my town. About 1 cent cheaper than regular (87) gas. :smiley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynaSkiPete Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 In Wisconsin many gas stations sell premium without ethanol. They usually have signs advertising this. Regular and mid grade without ethanol are harder to find. Farmers know where to find it so co-ops with gas stations usually sell it. In Wisconsin the Fleet Farm gas stations sell mid grade and premium without ethanol. There are others but it does require some research although many station have signs advertising non ethanol fuel. You may want to avoid E-85 and E-88 fuels unless your manufacturer says they are OK to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller h2onhk Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 2007 PCM manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 2nd paragraph on the right side of the page is enough for me to keep running non-ethanol fuel. My boat is my most expensive motorized vehicle, so I'll do what I can to keep each component in top-notch shape, even if it costs another 30 cents a gallon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 @hemlock I don't understand your post. First what is "marked gas"? And how is 87 1 cent cheaper than 93? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted June 3, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 3, 2018 Here is a snip from the 2018 PCM manual that details what I mentioned earlier, i.e. 87 is ok, but for optimum performance use 93 on the 6.2 H6. By the way it is higher compression than the 5.3 at 11.5:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynaSkiPete Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Don't forget the part about the rest of the fuel system. Ethanol fuel has caused many older big boat and ships to have to replace their fuel systems from deterioration. OUCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted June 4, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 4, 2018 @DynaSkiPete Good point. I have seen fuel lines in boats that were supposedly E10 safe that were swelled up three times their normal size. I believe that a lot of the issues with E10 are separation, especially in a marina tank that is very low sales volume. Once the gas separates from the alcohol the customer may get 100% gas or may get up to 100% alcohol, depending on the where the pickup is in relation to the layers in the tank. The same thing could happen in a boat tank. Absorbing moisture is another problem that can then separate out causing water in the fuel system. If there is no option for pure gas, try to buy gas from stations that have high volume. My local Costco gets three to four semi loads per day (according to the attendant). I do know that they usually have a line and have 20 pumps going almost non-stop all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted June 4, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 4, 2018 I buy premium in order to get regular quality. If I buy regular I get a crap. Local specifics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynaSkiPete Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Premium can be old gas too. Buying from a busy station is a great idea. However when they are delivering the bottom of the tank can be stirred up. My brother in law had to pull his boat gas tank to empty it of crap when this happened to him. He had bought premium. Station gave him a full tank of new gas afterwards. They were sorry. OOPS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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