Good revolution

[Wish]

@scotchipman Not all >> Denali measure flat tail. No silly slot calipers needed to get the perfect measurement every time :)

[skialex]

I carry two calipers in my tool bag, a slot caliper for measuring Goodes and a Mitutoyo for all all other skis.

I’m very confident with my measurements and I really prefer using a Mitutoyo over a cheap one like the slot caliper, but numbers taken the standard way mean nothing when you want to put stock or compare settings on Goode skis.

Slot caliper though is very user friendly, it would be good if other companies start to post slot caliper stock numbers.

[GMC]

@skibug How are those long/shallow numbers working for you? I have always preferred deep/short and I think I'm close to a good setup for that, but I'm feeling like long/shallow might be good on this ski. It is pretty fast right now - I can easily get up on the boat at the gate and across the course but I could have more ski in the water at the finish of my turns. Sometimes I get a little tip rise, but I'm putting that on me, not the ski. I feel like I don't need the fin depth, so going shallow might make the ski really nimble and fun.

 

Right now I have my front binding at 29 7/16" (Reflex, measured under the cleat), 6.774" long (tips), 2.500 deep, 0.750 DFT (head), 9.5 deg wing.

 

[Booze]

I tried @skibug numbers and liked it. DFT may have been off because I had trouble getting the fin that forward and long.

[skiboyny]

So what is the consensus as compared to the

Rev-6 worthwhile upgrade? Improved your bouy count?

[DW]

Also, can someone post a tips to slot caliper fin length data comparison, thanks.

Would be good on a Rev 6, Revolution and XTR if data is available.

 

@scotchipman : So what you are saying is that the slot caliper will zero the entire jaw / tip of the caliper when closed? In other words surface is one continuous flat surface.

 

If what I just noted is accurate, a way to use a standard caliper that is not flat or continuous would be to use feeler gauges to measure the gap at the 'slot' end and add that dimension to the slot measurement one takes using a standard caliper. Not elegant, but would work and that would be your correction number for that set of calipers.

[GMC]

@skiboyny the short answer is no improvement to buoy count. When I ordered the Revolution I was kinda stuck at 1.5-2 @ 38 and by the time it arrived I had picked up a couple buoys on the Rev6. Unfortunately I have not skied much in the past few weeks, but in the 6 sets I have on the Revolution my buoy count is the same as where I left off.

 

The Rev6 might be my favorite ski ever. I was a half a buoy off my PB in one of our last tournaments and it enabled consistency - we finished a lot of 35s where I should have been swimming at 3 or 4 ball. What I wanted out of the Revolution was more inbound speed after the turn. I feel that but haven't been able to turn it into more buoys yet. My trial will probably be graded an Incomplete as Michigan weather is turning from summer to fall pretty quickly. At the moment I'm thinking the Revolution is a keeper, or at worst I will try the 66.5". I will definitely not be selling the trusty Rev6 though.

 

@DW you are correct, the slot calipers have no relief along the length of the arms on the caliper. It is a flat surface so regardless of where you place the fin, it will be the same. I've seen a pair but I don't own one. They would be handy for the DFT measurement for sure!

[Deanoski]

Roughly 60 Th diff jaw to tips

[Booze]

@skiboyny - yes.

I got to 5@38 on the Revo...and never got that far on the Rev6, even with more sets run on it.

Onside turn is better, offside is about the same. The difference is in the speed. The Revo casts out well, which to me says it is faster (velocity) coming of 2nd wake

[jimski]

@GMC I have had one set on long shallow 9.50 , 2.465 , .075 8 deg

Boot 29 11/16 reflex

Boots 12 1/4 hinge to hinge

The reflex plate is as far forward as I can go

I would like to move the boots a little more forward to level out the ski a little more

[jimski]

OH ya what's with the whistle sound from the fin

[skiboyny]

@jimski They do whistle... don't know why.

[skibug]

@GMC only rode the ski once; but, my ski buddy (a 38 off skier @ 34 mph) has been using them for a long time after originally setting it up with the short and deep settings. He came off the Rev6 where he was also running the long and shallow numbers. He like the Revolution better than the Rev6.

[GMC]

Thanks for the info on the long/shallow - I tried it and it was no bueno for me. My personal preference for the deep/short remains. At this point the only question in my mind is whether or not I should try the 66.5" ski... but I feel like the 67.25" will be the right choice in warm/soft summer water and not the water that is now about 70 and falling. I'm going to ride what I have for the foreseeable future.

[jimski]

@GMC what shoes deep settings are you using

Stock ?

[GMC]

Bindings: Front Reflex at 29 7/16" which is 3rd hole from the back on the short Reflex plate. Rear Wiley as far forward as it will go - I removed some material from the back of the Reflex plate to make that happen. I've tried bindings one hole back but not forward. Ended up in the same place as they were on the Rev6.

 

 

 

Fin: 6.775" long (tips), 2.500" deep, 0.750" DFT (head), 9.5 wing. That much DFT on a short/deep setup is what tells me the ski might be too big, but I don't have any trouble turning it. Oh and if the fin doesn't whistle it isn't set up right :)

 

 

[Booze]

@skiboyny - I'm quite sure it's the large wing, or at least the interaction of it with the fin. I've done a/b comparison to normal wing and it correlates.

[jimski]

I'm having trouble with boot placement on this ski so I compared it to my other ski a 67

And the inserts are 7/8 of an inch back from the other ski on the 67.25

Is this going to make a big difference

 

 

[Horton]

@jimski those skis are totally different designs. put the bindings where the factory says and don't lose any sleep.

[jimski]

great advise Mr @Horton

[jimski]

I was holding off with these picture because I was hoping Goode was going to go good for this ski.

I bought it September 7 and had some trouble setting it up and couldn't find a good fin setting or boot placement on the ski. I emailed Goode for help several times within the two week demo program and got no help from them. The third week September 25 the ski broke around ball two snapping it almost in half at the toe also snapping my front reflex plate. Luckily the reflex release did its job and I wasn't injured. I sent the ski back to Goode and at first they said they would warranty then I received a u tube video from Dave Goode with the ski saying that it looks like I hit something with the ski. I am 100% confident I didn't hit anything. And have had promises from Goode saying they will look at this but have had very little help from them and no decision if they will warranty the ski or not. I'm very disappointed with their demo program and the customer service they have given me. To order this ski and get it sent to Canada was

$2960 CAD plus duty

A hard pill so swallow for under 3 weeks of skiing.

[jimski]

 

[jimski]

 

[ski6jones]

Very interested in how this pans out, wrt warranty support.

[skibug]

I think we will all be interested on how this turns out.

[BraceMaker]

Id be on the phone with my credit card.

BTDT.

[MISkier]

@jimski, what does he think you hit with that ski that could possibly do that damage? A dock?

[MISkier]

@jimski, do you have pictures of the top side? Which direction did it break? Tip up or tip down?

[The_MS]

Just shows again how great the customer service is at Radar.

[BraceMaker]

@jimski my opinion is you can stand on any one of your inquiries to them during the "demo period" and atleast return minus your demo fee.

[skialex]

@MISkier I read your question and looked at the picture showing the side of the ski. If you see it, you will see that it was tip up.

I also have the same question “what could you possibly hit to do this damage?” :)

I have never broken a Goode but have friends that have, it was always similar to this and Goode always changed the skis under the warranty.

@jimski I believe you should only pay the demo fee.

[MISkier]

@skialex, that is what I thought.

[wawaskr]

Looking at the bottom of the ski pic, there is a scuff mark on the left side bevel - what caused that? Is that scuff mark what Dave G is referencing?

[PatM]

Scuff mark or not should not lead to a total break in a direct line like that. I loved skiing on my previous Goodes and would consider going back to ski on one again. That being said I've broke 3 Goodes.

[Ed_Johnson]

I was considering ordering one, but after that, there is no way. Lucky you didn't get hurt. Think I will stick with my NRG a bit longer.

 

[Zman]

Wow.

Have others seen breaks at front toe area, on any ski? That seems odd. Would seem that the ski flexes most near mid point, roughly between the boots. One reason I like a single plate, like Radar Sequence or Goode G10. For any ski.

Plus water should be breaking near front toes in the turn, about where this ski broke. So, how was it loaded so much there to break? Just puzzling. Maybe failure started during last wake crossing?

I would expect a ski sees the greatest load during the lean into the wakes versus in the turn. No?

Glad you were not hurt dude!

[jimski]

@wawaskr I'm not sure what the scuff mark is from. There appears to be the same mark on the other side just a little lighter. Could be from hitting the turn balls or standing on it when putting it on, on the ski deck. The seadeck rubbing off on it ? Not sure.

I would say that it is a consistent rub mark down the ski and a not a impact mark.

 

An impact would hit and bounce off or be pushed forward with the forward movement I would think.

 

@miskier Yes I would think you would have to hit something fairly solid to break a ski or have some sort of injury from hitting something that solid.

 

The problem is not so much about the ski breaking. Every manufacturer has a certain percentage of defective product. Who hasn't bought anything new and returned it because it was faulty?

 

For me it's about the service you get when you have a question, complaint or issue with that product. That's what separates the good companies from the not so good ones.

 

Isn't that why every one loves COSTCO (just kidding)

 

In this case I'm not happy with the product or the service I received. I feel as a customer, I have the right to good service or I should be able to return the product without the runaround or hassle.

 

I have been dealing with this for seven weeks and only now have posted about it as I have had not been given any definite answers from Goode if they will warranty it or give me my money back.

[MISkier]

That break looks like the guy doing flex testing at the factory got a bit medieval on it.

 

Or, maybe they tested it this way:

 

 

[jimski]

Wow

Got a phone call from Dave Goode himself today about the ski.

Worked everything out and a new ski is on its way.

?

[richfoster]

The power of BOS ?