2020 VAPOR

[ROBOT]

The Vapor name has become synonymous with balance and speed. As we moved to our 2020 shape, we simply wanted to build on the foundation we had created. The overall width of the ski has been decreased in an effort to create more efficient water flow and allow the ski to have a more level ride. Rocker was modified to increase the drive behind the boat and allow the ski to create more angle before the buoy. Lastly, we increased the concave and let it run through the tail of the ski to give more support and consistency at the apex of the turn. All these simple changes allowed us to build a ski that is faster than its predecessor, has more automatic turns, and gives a truly consistent ride from turn to turn. You have to ski this thing, welcome to 2020 Vapor.

Shape:
The overall max width of the ski was reduced slightly for 2020. The width reduction in the area forward of your front foot allows the ski tip to ride lower while on plane. This gives the ski a more level riding attack angle which makes the ski more efficient through the water and makes it easier for the skier to engage the front half of the ski for tighter, more predictable turns.

Rocker:
The rocker line has been lowered under your feet in this new shape. This increases the sweet spot, inspiring confidence to push the limits with more predictable results. The new rocker gives the ski more drive side to side, allowing the skier to hold more angle from the finish of the turn to the centerline. It also allows the skier to start initiating the turn in a more level and controlled attack angle. Essentially, the tip of the ski can initiate earlier and there is a larger sweet spot to base your turns from. The increased tip engagement allows the tip to override the tail more, which results in more ski rotation prior to the buoy. The more the ski can be turned before the buoy, the earlier the skier can start to accelerate out of the buoy.

Concave: 
For 2020 Vapor, the concave was increased in the back 1/3 of the ski and now runs out the tail. This allows the ski to harness more water under the back of the ski and creates a higher riding tail that feels more supportive at the finish of the turn. The ski is faster as a result but without that loose, slippery feel. 

Bevels:
The Vapor features a hybrid bevel which allows us to get the best things from both a round and a sharp bevel. This lets the ski roll from edge to edge considerably smoother while also producing a more dynamic range of turn shapes. Ultimately, these bevels help create a ski that holds maximum angle side to side, rolls from edge to edge at a very predictable and confidence inspiring rate and is super forgiving for more ability to crank turns when you need them.

Thickness:
The max thickness of the ski has been lowered through the middle. By reducing the sidewall, the ski is able to sit deeper in the water, allowing for a more secure feeling to the skier with more feedback from the water.

Available in: 63.5, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69.5

https://radarskis.com/2020vapor

 

[JC McCavit]

Any non-pro skiers had a chance to ride the new 2020 Vapor?

[Horton]

@JC McCavit I doubt many non-team skiers have ridden it. I can tell you that the only time I ever driven a skier into 41 off at 36 mph he was on a 2020 Vapor.

[bishop8950]

If @Horton pulled @ColeGiacopuzzi into 41, he would have run it behind a good driver :-)

[Deanoski]

I have seen a few NW skiers on them the ski has a 2019 graphic

 

but when watching skiers there is a noticeable difference.

the new ski has a lot more ski in the water at the ball and in the pull.

 

I saw one in Dec at a secret location. and I Said I cant wait to get my hands on one!

 

[rq0013]

I will ride mine today...

[Onside135]

They need to bring back the RS-1 bindings for that ski!

[APB]

i rode 3 sets on a 67" 3 weeks ago at radar. 28", 32's and a bit of 35. it was nice. got one coming.

[ALPJr]

The question is will this thread surpass the views of the 2016 Vapor thread?

[ALPJr]

Please keep the boots black.

[Swerve200]

Does the new ski need one of the custom 3rd party fins or is it good to go stock?

[ballsohard]

@APB what felt different about it compared to the 2018/19?

[JaredSmith]

Question, does a increased concave in general make a ski faster or slower?

[C5Quest]

Just thinking of aerodynamic properties I would think it would be faster as it accelerates the flow of fluid through the concave tunnel. Isn’t this the direction the new Denali C75 went?

[jimski]

I’ve been on it

Believe the hype this ski rips

 

[Ryota]

Let’s take a vote Ballers!

Gold or Silver!

Like= Gold Awesome= Silver

[pregom]

Is this ski ripping at 36 mph or also at lower speeds?

[APB]

@ballsohard def noticed that it sat deeper. I can’t wait to ride my new one at home. Like I say only 3 sets... look forward to more.

[jimski]

@pregom I ski at 34

After a couple sets Rossi said

Your turning the crap out of that ski

It’s fast sits flatter on the water and the whole ski engages out of the turn

[rq0013]

First set on mine tonight, that’s a fun ski! Came off a 19 ProBuild. Big things that popped out was how it turned smoother and how level it rides, every where.

[Ed_Johnson]

Question...Since they narrowed the ski and reduced the surface area, should we now consider going to the next larger size. ie: if you were on a 67" should you now go to a 68".

How much difference does this change make ???

 

 

[ballsohard]

@Ed_Johnson Jamie Calhoun sized down from a 67" to a 66" so I'm not sure what to tell you.

[UWSkier]

I like the concept of a flatter-running ski. As someone who is in a lifelong struggle to learn to move up and stay up on my ski, this seems like it'd help in that regard.

[jeromezz430]

@Horton will you review the 2020 Vapor ?

[tony]

Does anyone know how or if the 2020 compares to the 2016? That ski worked well for me. Buoy count dropped on the 18 and 19 pro built. From 2-3 @ 38 to barely running 35.

[LOTW]

I still struggle with my '18, love my '17. I've had 4 VAP'S now and poised for a 5th but how about a new name?

[Than_Bogan]

@Ryota As a certified Points Whore, I can't believe I never thought of that trick!! :)

[rq0013]

I’ve had every vapor. Comparing the 16 to the 2020 (1 set so far).... The 2020 feels more secure/planted by staying level more. The construction difference alone is a big change.... the 2020 has different core, carbon and innegra added... it is a much smoother, damper ride

[Keith_Menard]

Can I start a petition to get the windows back for 2021? Oh...right, I forgot...I am the only one who liked those :)

[Ed_Johnson]

@"Keith Menard" .... The great thing about the windows was that you knew you had the Max Amount of Forward COM lean when you could look through the windows and see the boat !!!

 

 

[dnewton]

@"Keith Menard" I also loved the windows.

[pregom]

@Than_Bogan does it mean he is a trick skier? :smile:

[paul413ski]

Fin and binding settings

[rq0013]

Settings are on the 2020 vapor page of the website

[Golson]

If it’s as good as the 2016 or better I’m buying one. The last few years I’ve been unimpressed....

[ballsohard]

@Golson out of curiosity what did you not like about the 2018 shape?

[Ed_Johnson]

@Golson... You may have a point. My main ski partner, Zack Meyers, has been on his 16 since they came out. Every year he has tried a new demo, and totally prefers his 16. He runs back to back 38's every set and a few 39's.

 

 

[mbabiash]

I got a panda for this kind of talk which is ridiculous. The 16 was the best ski until hopefully now.

[Golson]

@ballsohard PM sent. @Ed_Johnson I’m feeling the same thing. 4@38 tourney average on the ‘16. Struggled to run 35’ consistently on ‘17-19. One can dream for great 2020 build....

[Kroeks]

I guess this just goes to show how individual the choice of ski can be. I demo'd a handful of skis before my last purchase (which were all really nice, to be fair) but the 2018 Vapor was the clear winner. The honeymoon is well into its second year with no signs of slowing down, so it's hard for me to imagine someone being dissatisfied with it!

[Bdecker]

Love my 2018 and anxious to get my 2020 soon!

[ballsohard]

@Kroeks I also absolutely love my 2018 Vapor Probuild, I guess that it suits some styles especially well!

[skierjp]

I have heard by a very reputable source that the 2020 has some characteristics of the 16

[waterskicompany]

Awesome!

[paul413ski]

Love the 18 who knows with the 20 Fin settings anyone .

[Ryota]

2020 Vapor Fin Number

[phauswirth]

Is there a size chart for the 2020 has it changed from the 2019?

[theboardingschool]

I just got back from Radar and picked up a new 66". I was on a 2019 66" and definitely can say that I would not want anything bigger. I haven't skied much this summer since my boy @fwinter has been gone, but with just 2 sets on it I can say that I really like it. Really excited to have it back home and get to work. I can give a real evaluation on it later this week after using at TBS and feeling a little fresher than I do after standing around that camp fire until 2am every night.

 

And, if gold is an option, I always pick it!

[paul413ski]

@Ryota thank you

[JaredSmith]

@Chris Rossi @brooks How much less surface area does the 2020 Vapor have compared to the 2019?