Industry Professional brooks Posted August 5, 2019 Industry Professional Share Posted August 5, 2019 @JaredSmith 2019 67" Vapor has 365.661 SQ" & 2020 67" Vapor has 365.49 SQ" However, max width on a 2019 67" Vapor is 6.946 and on a 2020 67" Vapor it's 6.92" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JaredSmith Posted August 5, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2019 Thanks @brooks. Seems like very small changes. Did the weight recommendations range for the different lengths change or stay the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 5, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2019 I wouldn’t think that small of a change would drive a length change for your weight. But never know. I’ll stick with my 66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted August 5, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2019 For what it’s worth. @TFIN told me to go with 67. I’m 210 6’2”. He said I was I. Between sizes but he’d still go with 67. This thing must be fast. I’ll get mine in Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industry Professional brooks Posted August 6, 2019 Industry Professional Share Posted August 6, 2019 Weight recommendations stayed the same, we do see a trend of people sizing down in skis currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted August 6, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 6, 2019 I stayed the same size Tried the 66 but felt better on the 67 190 # Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markchilcutt Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 34mph 185lbs 67" long shallow setting. skiing 22-35 off never have ran 38. Practice and tournament average are 3@35. current ski is 2019 67" Vapor. 1st set I was a bit rushed setting the fin and didn't have it perfectly set. Still a great 1st set skiing right up to my average of 3@35 This ski is fast. I kept finding myself with to much glide for the gates which typically puts me narrow and late at one ball. also found myself having to scrub speed coming into offside 1,3,5. I think I was a bit tentative on my first set. Ski turned very well on both sides. Before skiing the 2nd set I dialed the fin in. Went out at -28 feeling much better with my gate glide. First thing I noticed was how level this ski stays front to back. The biggest benefits with this was the feeling at the end of the turn where I have a tendency to rock back onto the tail. The ski likes to stay level there for me resulting in more tip engagement as the line comes tight. More ski in the water was putting me early and wide on both sides. Another attribute I liked is ski position coming into the buoy. I have a tendency to stay compressed off the second wake resulting in being heavy on the tail. This ski made my transition from compressed to standing tall and shifting forward much easier. Finding myself more forward on this ski into and out of the buoy might be the greatest attribute. This ski also feels easier to roll onto edge compared to the 19 letting me find my stacked position a bit sooner. I also noticed this ski smearing more in the turn creating more angle off the buoy which is always a good thing if your ready for it. This will take some getting used to but will be of great benefit. So 2nd set went down the line getting 1@38!! I totally blew it going to one at 38 and over pulled. With the ski rolling onto edge easier and being faster I will have to compensate a bit from what I am used to (this is a good thing). I am very excited with my results after only two sets. Any time I run 35 is a celebration! Cannot wait to own this ski. Thanks again to the designer @Chris Rossi and product manager @brooks as well as the entire Radar team for continuing to design and produce killer products!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted August 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2019 Thanks for each one of your personal insights from your first few passes/days on this new ski. They were a hot commodity at the Nationals and even had one gentleman who bought one, we set it up, and he went out (at his lake) and posted a score that was 4 buoys better than on his previous ski. The 2020 Vapor is a very balanced and intuitive ski. I am very excited to see more of these on the water! Keep us in the loop as more of you get on the ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2019 On a 67 2.505 6.840 75.5 10 Wing Fb reflex thin liner 29 13/16 180lbs 6’ 4 sets in running-28 -32 been windy can’t wait for calm water to start running-35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted August 14, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2019 This ski is insane. I started with deep numbers and started getting used to it but never comfortable. Tried the long shallow settings but 1/8 back with boots and I’m in heaven. I’m actually 215 right now and @TFIN said I was in between sizes but he’d still go with the 67. He was right. I’ve never had a ski that legitimately set deep and felt so solid that was also incredibly fast. It always seems to be one or the other. Turns are so even on both sides and effortless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller perfski Posted August 14, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2019 @Ed_Johnson I asked Rossi & Brooks this exact question on sizing...he said no change in how you size the ski.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bojans Posted August 14, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2019 My 11 year old just finished his first set, loved it. Said the turns are very easy and fast. He looks great on the ski and matched his practice average on the first set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JC McCavit Posted August 14, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2019 @mbabiash - do you ski 36 or 34? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted August 14, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2019 34 get into 32 off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted August 14, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2019 Well, I read this thread last week where some liked (and stayed on) the 2016 ski vs. the 17,18 or 19. Also, I pulled 5 practice sessions last week at Nationals and spoke with 4 guys still on the 2016 who all said pretty much the same thing. I currently have a 19 that I bought mid last year and skied the last two tournaments of the year and all of them this year on. I will try a 2020 version soon, but since I still have my 2016, I decided to put my boots on it today and give it a go (hadn't been on it since my Achilles injury last year. I skied better immediately. The ski turns better on both sides (for me) and is totally stable in the glide for the gates while the 2019 version will hunt unless I bend both knees. I can stand anyway I want on the 2016 with no hunting. When I demoed the 2019 last year, I was still coming back from my injury, so was not skiing beyond 32 off. My best tournament score has been 3@35 and I have run only one 35 in practice (while when I was injured, I was running 35 about 40% of the time and ran a handful of 2@38 tournament scores). Today I skied 3 28s and a 32 only since I had not skied in a week, skied six 28s the first set (on the 19) and was running out of steam. I will take some shots at 35 and see how it goes. Even if I decide the 2016 is better than the 2019, I'm still going to give the 2020 a shot as a few have said it skis more like the 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dnewton Posted August 14, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2019 I am amazed with the amount of people favoring their 16 over there 18/19’s. I just jumped from a 16 to an 18 and legitimately gained a pass and a half the first night out on it. My 16 is only a lithium, so potentially that has something to do with it, but I absolutely love the 18 and feel like an idiot for buying it 2 weeks before the 2020 was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted August 15, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 15, 2019 My 16 got me into 35 and the 18 (+Denali fin) was a refinement. The 18 turned more smoothly for me and got me into 38 for the first time in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted August 15, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 15, 2019 @dnewton / @BlueSki - I hope my post didn't imply the 17,18 or 19 skies were bad skies, only that "I" ski better on the 16. Different skiers gel with different skies. I tried various D3 skis and struggle to run 28 while friends are running 38 on them. Ed Hickey set the Men 7 record (1@41) on an 18 Pro-Build last year, so the ski obviously works for him. He changed to a 19 and suggested I skip the 18 and buy the 19 when I was looking to move from my 16. Not surprised at all that you guys and others love a different year/ski than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted August 15, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 15, 2019 @roger, not at all. My wife went from a 16 to a 19 and her PB went up and she looked smoother (after some fin setting help from Rossi) but she still does not feel as stable when running straight down the lake or dropping. Before the fin setting help, the ski was no bueno for her. Lots of variety in what works for each skier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted August 15, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 15, 2019 If my 20 works out I'll have a 67" 16 for sale that is like brand new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scuppers Posted August 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2019 Anyone tried the wisperfin on the 2020 Vapor Pro Build yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bdecker Posted August 20, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 20, 2019 My 2020 will be onsite later today- just tied my all-time practice PB on my 2018 w/cg fin 2 sets ago. So do I set it up with the CG fin out of the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 20, 2019 Supporting Member Share Posted August 20, 2019 @Bdecker Congratulations!! And you probably should. But personally I'd be more interested in hearing about it both with stock fin and CG fin. And you better do the stock fin first or you might never :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted August 20, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 20, 2019 Having set up several skis now with the CG, including 2 Vapors. I have found the stock fin to be more sensitive. Therefore, if you get the ski to be the best it can be with the stock fin, then set the CG to those exact dimensions, it will really perform and you have the best starting point for the CG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 20, 2019 Administrators Share Posted August 20, 2019 @Bdecker I suggest you spend some time on the stock fin and settings first. Get to know the ski and set a baseline before you play with aftermarket fins. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellenm Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I have the 2018 ProBuild and love it. I just bought the 2020 and am still trying to figure it out. It feels different but ran my hardest pass on the 2nd set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted August 20, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 20, 2019 @ellenm Sounds Awesome, stoked to hear it! If you need help setting it up or have any questions don't be afraid to reach out. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GaryWilkinson Posted August 21, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 21, 2019 @scuppers Yes I have 2 sets on the 2020 but never skied on it stock fin. Jay said use the same settings as my 17 vapor with a small binding adjustment and I did and holy f()<{. Man did that ski go well. Stayed down and accelerated nicely. Love it. Go with confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scuppers Posted August 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 22, 2019 Thanks Gary! I’ll try it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul413ski Posted August 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 22, 2019 @GaryWilkinson forward or back with the binding ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bdecker Posted August 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 22, 2019 Stock fin, first set- loved it. CG 2nd, I think I went a little too deep (just dropped the fin block from my 2018 in...). Offside was “off”... Removed a bunch of depth- back on it tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GaryWilkinson Posted August 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 23, 2019 @paul413ski Jay's setting on the 2020 and original lithium 30 1/8” binding location. That puts me hole #4 of 5 forward. Working very well so far and I haven’t even tried it on really calm water yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul413ski Posted August 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 23, 2019 @GaryWilkinson thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller coach3 Posted August 24, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2019 How are settings for the 2020 evolving? I am skiing stock long and shallow as is my habit, with the bindings 1/6 forward. 3rd set getting used to it and coming off a 2019 (which turned great I might add). Inputs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul413ski Posted August 24, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2019 @GaryWilkinson what size ski and numbers please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 25, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2019 67 Fb 2913/16 Reflex blk boot 2.504 6.840 75 10 Wing -28–35 Fast smooth lots of space it’s like cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 25, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2019 I’ve tried both stock settings along with something between them. I’ve come to the conclusion I ski better with the longer and shallower settings. On the 19 I really liked numbers between the 2 stock options. Practice pb the other day... 2.5@38. 36mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 25, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2019 Anyone running the 2020 with the Whisper Fin? I’m hearing good stuff from other sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JaredSmith Posted August 25, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2019 I have heard that the 2020 likes a long and shallow fin setting, also hearing a few on the 2019 that have tried the 2020 are keeping their 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted August 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 26, 2019 @coach3 I would start at stock long and shallow with stock binding placement and then make moves from there. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellenm Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Update: I have run my challenge pass 3 out of the last 4 sets. Although my 2018 Probuild is a great ski, I think I like this one better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GaryWilkinson Posted August 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 27, 2019 @paul413ski 67” 2020 Vapor Pro Build Whisper fin at FD = 2.510 Fl = 5.745 DFT = 1.960 Wing 9° Binding 30 1/8” I’m 174lbs 6’ ski at 34mph usually through 32 off and 2 at -35 on a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bbrandau Posted August 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 27, 2019 Picked up my 2020 at Nationals. Ski is feeling sweet! Just ran a tourney PB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lw_moskier Posted August 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 27, 2019 @Bbrandau what ski were you on previously? I'm on a 2018 and leaning hard towards the 2020. I'm thinking I need to size down though because I've been on 68" and I've lost some pounds. Weighing 192 today... was about 220 when I started with the 68". Feels like I'm on the verge of blowing out the ski a lot of times. Sometimes I do but I'm sure my form comes into play as well when this happens. I ski 34 and have ran into 35 off a handful of times this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted August 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 27, 2019 I’m 215 right now and the 67 is perfect for me. Really nice ski! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 28, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 28, 2019 @mbabiash makes me think I need a 66 at 180-185 6’ -35 skier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bdecker Posted August 28, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 28, 2019 @Deanoski - I’m 6’ 181# and on a 67” getting into mid 38. @ali leaves his 66” in our ski shed, so I might need to experiment and report back! Too bad he’s the wrong foot forward, otherwise I could just slide my liners in and go. Long/shallow is working well on this ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted August 28, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 28, 2019 I’d ask @TFIN what he suggests. I have friends on the new 67 that are 180 and they are loving it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ironhorse Posted August 28, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 28, 2019 There's a slightly used 67" on SIA if anyone is looking (not mine). I am waiting for someone to put their 68" demo on there (hint..hint…). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted August 28, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 28, 2019 Thanks for all the positive reviews and feedback! @lw_moskier I would go 67 and congrats on getting lean and mean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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