jenksski Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 You paying top $$$ for senate pro, when you can buy so called higher end skis for cheaper. What would be the advantages of a pro over say Omega, GT-R, D3, KD Platinum? Any feed back would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kroeks Posted September 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2020 I think the logic is that the Senate Pro is essentially the same as Radar's top-end ski (the Vapor Pro) but made a little wider for those of us not skiing at 36mph. Having never tried one myself I can't really say how it feels, but of the 34mph skiers I know that have tried both the Vapor and the Senate, two of them preferred the Vapor, one is pretty undecided and switches backand forth every once and a while, and one very much prefers the Senate. All of them ski at 34mph and spend most of their time in the 22off to 32off range. I suppose whether you like it better or not depends on how it meshes with your style, but I wouldn't be knowledgeable enough to know what particular attributes will suit one over the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted September 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2020 @jenksski The Senate pro is a high end ski, we use the same materials and shape as we do in our Vapor Pro build, but 2 tenths of an inch wider. Like @Kroeks said the idea is its built for 30-34mph skiers. It gives a bit more of a wider base to stand on with more stability, but without sacrificing the attributes of a high end ski we have come to love. Hope this helps! Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Woodybc62 Posted September 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2020 If Fedex ever shows up I have a 2020 Senate Pro coming. Been on a 19 Alloy. Hope it is wonderful ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted September 2, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just took my first ride on a new Senate pro. They ain't getting it back! For me this ski makes early passes a joke. Not quite in shape enough for green and blue lines as I am coming off of injury. 1 ride I am sold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kc Posted September 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2020 FedEx left a ‘21 Senate Pro at my door yesterday morning. I’ve had two sets on it. Tomorrow riding it with a Whisper Fin. I’ve liked every ski better that I’ve tried with the Whisper Fin. That’s not to say that I didn’t like it with stock fin. I’ve just moved into Mens 7, so exploring various options to transition down to 32 mph. I do like the support from the extra width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 34mph Posted September 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2020 The senate pro is deff a high end ski .. demo a lot of skis this year ... 2 d3 and c-75 and I can say I’m back to the senate pro ... I have 2 sets on my 21 and it’s all good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller WoodySkier Posted September 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2020 I have a 20 Senate Pro, and it’s a great high end ski, creates a lot speed and space without a lot of effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted September 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2020 Is there any difference between the 2021 Senate Pro and the 2019 Senate Pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted September 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2020 2 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted September 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2020 @dbutcher the 2020 was an all-new shape. If I wasn't averse to green skis, I'd have upgraded my '19. The '21 looks sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Woodybc62 Posted September 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2020 Mine arrived yesterday. First set felt great ?. Love Radar customer service too. Love this ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fast351 Posted September 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2020 Where are you guys buying your 2021 Senates? I don't see them anywhere on any websites. Or are you guys "special" :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sheskis7 Posted September 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 Try Miami Ski Nautique, a friend just bought a 2021 Senate. Had the ski in 4 days plus free shipping. Great Customer service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fast351 Posted September 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 Interesting, they only list preorder now. Anyone know how the Carbitex boots come set up? All the pictures I've seen they're mounted on a single aluminum plate. Does the plate come with the front boot or is it ordered separately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted September 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 By casual observation I haven't seen any high-level 34mph skier, man or woman, that rides a Senate of any build as their main ski over choosing a Vapor or other more traditional width ski. And Radar has a pretty good foothold in the midwest so I see a LOT of Senates around. Very popular sub-34mph ski or folks just cutting the line. People love it. I know I didn't see every podium shot from Nationals and Regionals but I don't recall seeing a Senate on any 34mph podiums. Could have missed one Again just observations, no judgement on the ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JAS Posted September 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 Would venture to say podium skiers at nationals are a different creature than target group for Senate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted September 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 Bought a 2019 Senate to transition to old man speed. Went from 2016 Vapor to KD Platinum to this Senate Pro. Skiing the same totals as before at 34mph with a whole lot less effort. Ski just turns hard and goes. Person I bought it from thought it was the ski that would take him all the way through -41@ 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted September 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 Particularly for people like myself who start the season slower the Senate is great would be between a 67 or 68 vapor and the 67 senate is a great size. On the cost I see no reason a vapor pro should cost more than a Senate pro. I remain impressed the syndicate omni is less than an omega but it isn't USA made like a Senate pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksski Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 @jhughes I'm wondering the same thing. My biggest query is, why isn't Whitney McClintock-Rini running on a senate pro if that's made or 34mph?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted September 6, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2020 If I was still competing at 34mph I would size down to a 65" Senate similar to the Denali `thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted September 7, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted September 7, 2020 I rode mine today at 34 mph. It was easier to pick up off the turn then a vapor. 67 inch does not feel any bigger to me then the 67 vapor I was riding. Very predictable and even my off side turn might be better then the on side. Those in the market for a high end ski owe it to them selves to give one a ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pregom Posted September 7, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 7, 2020 I know the 2020 line of Senate's was with an all new shape, carried over from the Vapor. What changes do you see with the 2021 models? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pregom Posted September 7, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 7, 2020 @Fast351 - the Carbitex boots come with a metal base platform. The boots themselves are for a left or right foot, whereas the platforms are for a front or rear foot placeement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fast351 Posted September 7, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 7, 2020 @pregom OK so they're just like my current Profile boots. Only reason I asked is all the pics show a single plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BS74 Posted September 8, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2020 Is the 2020 or 2021 Senate Pro much different that the 2018 or 2019 model? I've been on (I think:2019, 67 in.) and it skis really good if I stay right over the binders. If I get on the front just a little, it doesn't like it. If I get on the back, it doesn't like it. I'm an experienced skier( over 20 nationals) and have moved binders, fin, etc, but I need a ski that lets me get on the front. I skied Goodes for over 20 years and the 9500 was the best ever. I don't like the newer goode skis at 32mph and now 30 mph this coming year. In my hay day I could run 38 off, now 75, couple hip replacements have slowed me down. Just getting back into it, running 22, 28, working on my 32's at 32mph. I will not go to 30mph until I'm running my 32's at 32. Mouth full! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted September 10, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2020 Does the 21 Senate Pro have the new textured bottom and flat tail of the 21 Vapor Pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Woodybc62 Posted September 11, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2020 C5Quest. They left u hanging. Nope. Smooth. Great ski. Love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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