Baller ORANGEBALLS Posted January 31, 2021 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2021 We picked up a 800 hr 2007 196 this winter. It runs great at 34 and 36. We are stoked. It skis great and is oddly quiet at speed. The only weird thing is that it is totally gutless out the hole. Deepwater starts or oddly slow. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted January 31, 2021 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2021 What prop? 330 hp? Does the engine missfire? Thing to check is fuel pressure in acceleration... My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted January 31, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted January 31, 2021 Does it have Perfect pass? If so, be sure the cable is tight on the servo. That can cause slow pickup. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski_Dad Posted January 31, 2021 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2021 like Andre said what prop do you have - my malibu with 375hp was gutless with a 13x14 cast prop that was on it from previous owner - they just wanted to go fast. I switched to an Acme 13x11.5 and it was literally like twice the holeshot. If I'm not mistaken I believe the Acme 422 is the prop for the 196. But if you already have decent prop it could be something simple like cap/rotor and plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller buoyboy1 Posted January 31, 2021 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2021 I have a 2005 196 converted with ZO and also have the 422 prop. I agree with @Ski_Dad to check cap, rotor and plugs. I replaced a cap and rotor after only 25 hrs. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ORANGEBALLS Posted January 31, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted January 31, 2021 Prop is ACME 422 so that is not he answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller elr Posted January 31, 2021 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2021 Cap, rotor, plugs every other year . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RGilmore Posted January 31, 2021 Members Share Posted January 31, 2021 You might want to switch to the ACME 668 prop. Gave us a much stronger hole shot with better performance at lower speeds, at little to unnoticeable high-end expense. But, of course, Your Mileage May Vary - literally. Skip Dunlop out of Polk County, Florida is the go-to guy for ACME prop information, repair, and sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 31, 2021 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2021 Set up right that boat should have so much hole shot that you don't use all the throttle. Seems prop is reasonable...therefore tune-up like others have suggested. Perhaps a compression test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted February 1, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 1, 2021 @ORANGEBALLS Is there any vibration (prop/shaft/steering wheel)? What's your top end speed and what elevation are you at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtjc Posted February 1, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 1, 2021 What motor does the boat have? 5.0, 5.7 or 6.0... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted February 1, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 1, 2021 What were you skiing behind before. Maybe it’s just different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted February 1, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 1, 2021 I have a 2004 196 w/330hp Excalibur that will rip your arms off Running an Acme 422. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogexpress Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I had an '07 196 with the 330 Ex and 422 prop. When i got it it had alot more hours than yours and also sluggish out of the hole. Turns out the engine timing was off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jpwhit Posted February 2, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 2, 2021 As with any boat issue, you can go about it in two ways. You can guess and start throwing parts at the problem. The other approach is to systematically debug the problem and then replace what is proven to be broken. I'm not passing judgement on which approach, and sometimes it makes sense to do some amount of replacing parts and then switch to systematic diagnosis. If things like rotor, cap, plug wires, plugs, and inline fuel filter are due anyway you may as well do that as a first step. Personally, I wouldn't go beyond that on the swapping parts approach because it's slippery slope and next thing you know you've spent a lot of time and money and it would have been cheaper to pay a good shop to find and fix the problem. You can do some of that systematic diagnosis with reasonably priced specialized tools such as fuel pressure gauge and compression tester. To really do a full systematic approach for a problem like this, you need some form of marine diagnostics software. Rhinda Technologies DIACOM or TechMate is the only fully turnkey solution for boats. Boats use the same J1939 diagnostics protocol as commercial Trucks and heavy equipment. You can get some much cheaper code readers intended for heavy equipment, but to make that work you have to wire up your own connectors. And the number of capabilities varies a lot between those solutions. Some just read fault codes and others can do more advanced capabilities like show live data from the engine. The number of things that can cause slow hole shot is quite long. Besides the things mentioned here, you have knock sensors, temp sensors, timing, injector flow rates, etc ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller loeweb Posted February 2, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 2, 2021 If it sounds good out of the hole and doesn't hesitate or sputter, I'd re-prop it and see if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted February 2, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 2, 2021 It could be that a previous owner had that Acme 422 prop re-sized or re-pitched. That should be easy to check before spending a lot of money. It might even be worth a phone call to ask the person from whom you bought the boat if he/she knows if the prop has been modified or if he/she had your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted February 2, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 2, 2021 Not to oversimplify things but there are not all that many things that can cause this. If the engine starts ok and isn't misfiring, sputtering, or stalling then its pretty safe to say it's running on all cylinders. As @jpwhit already noted if it's already overdue for tune up items go ahead and do them as a matter of maintenance but that not likely to solve the issue. Simplest item up front is just check the timing. As @hogexpress noted, can easily impact. If that's correct the next super easy thing is just do a compression check on each cylinder. Very simple. Prop topic has been addressed already and you have a correct prop. You really need to validate these two important items before moving further. They're both very easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller h2onhk Posted February 2, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 2, 2021 Maybe I'm wrong but unless you have access to a DIACOM i'm not sure how you verify timing is correct. Its set by the cam. My 2007 196 placard states it needs to be 0-4deg. Obviously a dealer or marina can check this for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jpwhit Posted February 2, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 2, 2021 @h2onhk you are correct. The EX series PCM engines self adjust the timing. But the CAM Retard has to be in the correct range and that has to be set using DIACOM. @MDB1056 our club's 196 developed the same slow out of the hole issue years ago. It ran great otherwise. Turned out to be a faulty knock sensor. Hole shot was night and day different before and after the repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted February 2, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 2, 2021 Would think you can still easily check the timing as a prelim diagnosis step. If correct, no need to set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul Posted February 3, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 3, 2021 Our ‘02 MC was slow out of the hole - turned out to be a bad plug. Couldn’t tell it was missing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted February 3, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 3, 2021 @paul - have to say I’m surprised to hear that. I’ve never owned any V8 that didn’t feel noticeably different if a cylinder was misfiring . Boat or car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul Posted February 3, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 3, 2021 We had an issue in our ‘16 MC (6.2L) this year as it was backfiring on acceleration. No other issues. Turned out to be a bad injector. No codes or check engine light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted February 4, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 4, 2021 funny a friend of mine has the exact same issue. works great in the course but slow out of the hole. No issue with prop though but the engine is not taking its revs. It is staying at low RPM and slowly getting revs. Feels like it is getting too much or not enough gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted February 5, 2021 Baller Share Posted February 5, 2021 Check fuel pressure. Check fuel pressure. Check fuel pressure. My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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