Broken Ski, Broken Skier

[Rednucleus]

Good Day Ballers - Day 7 of 8 day trip to Curlew. Douger crashed going to 5 ball (34/15 off) and came up with a broken Syndicate Omni and front ankle injury. Probably no surgery but expect to be out for the year.

Curious if anyone else has had similar failures. Got ski last fall.

At least this didn't happen last weekend!!

[BugHunter]

I have the same ski but it will be 3 years old next month. In the summer I average 50 passes a week, in the 2 month winter here in FL probably 20 a week. No problems yet, but this makes me think though!

[vtmecheng]

They had issues with some of the first year syndicate Omnis but I haven’t heard of problems on more recent years.

[6balls]

ski broke between the bindings once at the wake on a 28 off opener. I got absolutely drilled.

[BraceMaker]

To be clear Connelly HO and Radar are all one company...

 

It's a conspiracy one venture capital firm owns them their skis mostly from one place which is connelly factory

 

Ropes the radar and HO high end stuff same place.

 

Go up the chain one venture capital firm

[Horton]

@BraceMaker

 

[BraceMaker]

@Horton OK so do a dive into the addresses and corporate governance for the entities that operate the brands. Have fun with their leadership and addresses for physical locations. Red pill blue pill.

[mfjaegersr]

Kent Outdoors/ Seawall Capital indeed owns Connelly, HO, and O’Brien, but doesn’t claim Radar on their website. @BraceMaker

[BraceMaker]

@mfjaegersr maybe I missed the kabal so it's connelly ho and Obrien but not Radar. My bad.

 

So radar and ho don't have ropes made by the same place... or do they. ..

[lpskier]

@Rednucleus Did your buddy recently fly with his ski?

[SkiBeKaus]

93 octane would’ve prevented that…

[Horton]

@BraceMaker

Radar has absolutely no connection to the other companies. Radar his owned by Square One

 

HO & Connelly do have the same corporate parent but are run as completely separate entities. Internally they compete with each other.

 

Things like vests, ropes and gloves are made in a few factories across the industry. That's because these are the sources. It is likely that the gloves made by a HO also come from the same factory that makes Nike.

[Rednucleus]

@lpskier Nope, got this ski last fall as a demo to replace an Omni from the previous year that delaminated.

[utahslalom]

@Rednucleus I had a similar experience in April 2020. I had a 2019 Syndicate Omni and when crossing the wakes, I came down hard on the front of the ski which broke the ski in between the front and rear boot. I rolled my ankle badly which resulted in a peroneal tendon subluxation injury which required surgery. No fun. HO replaced my ski at no cost, but the injury was a doozy.

[skialex]

Green inside… matching fonts color

[foxriverat]

Believe thats a 2018 with the green graphics. My ski partner had the same one broke in same spot. Luckily he caught it before it broke all the way through.

[vtmecheng]

Demo skies mean you have no idea how it’s treated. 9 out of 10 times it’s fine. It’s a used ski, you never really know.

[braindamage]

Ok.,.what is the cause, and what is the effect. Are you saying that you crashed and that’s what broke the ski or that the ski broke and caused your crash?

 

It’s a bad deal either way…

[Andre]

@braindamage Was typing the same question...

@Rednucleus Give him some big ''horses'' pill and he'll be back soon! :) Scary break in that ski for sure!

[thager]

Just walk it off!

[Rednucleus]

@braindamage Not sure, going in to 5, ski came out/off water going in to turn, crash, bad words in the water & ski folded in half

[braindamage]

Hmmm..if you were going into the turn, there shouldn’t be any extraordinary pressure on the ski, so most likely it was crash that was the cause?

[Bruce_Butterfield]

Skis of pretty much all brands have had similar breakages over the years. My guess is that its a manufacturing defect such as air bubbles in the epoxy, improperly cured, or outdated epoxys that are possible causes. This is simply a very small percentage of the build process that has a "lemon" ski and not indicative of any brand or model.

[APB]

Buy a new one and keep swervin!!!!

[savaiusini]

@Rednucleus very sorry to see this and wish your friend a speedy and complete recovery. That ski is a 2018 model, almost five years since it came out of the press. Hard the know what kind of bumps, dings and drops it has experienced in that time even if it only sat in a pro shop. If this ski was purchased new in the last year or so from an authorized dealer we will replace no questions asked. We experience maybe a 1% warranty rate on skis in that timeframe but it is always unsettling when it happens to you. Feel free to PM me directly if any questions.

[bananaron]

Lets see the previous HO delaminated and this is the second one.If I were in charge it would be taken care of....No questions asked.

[Rednucleus]

@braindamage That was his thought as well as he sits here with ice on ankle! I was not in boat, but from dock it looked pretty routine.

[vtmecheng]

Also possible that it started to crack going across the wakes and it finally let go at the ball.

 

All companies have some duds. Someone or something is telling you to try a different ski.

[6balls]

I had one fracture but not come apart at the ball, too. Was a very gentle fall in that case.

 

Razor skis always claimed they never had a break. Having skied one for many years, it sure seemed like an incredibly well manufactured ski.

[JAS]

CSI. Possible cause

 

Hard pull to 5, wake pop. ski bounce with body moving forward, right edge of ski tip digs, body hits water like fly swatter, heavy loading and planter flexion of ankles (no chance for these bindings to release in this direction) weight now back in relation to ski, peak force, ski breaks.

 

Not sure if this is what happened but It is possible that fall caused failure, and not failure caused fall. I recall reading that skis are weakest bending tip toward bottom. Pull +4-5 G’s in Cessna and wings fall off, only need -2 G’s for wings to fall off. Its all determined by design.

 

I am recovering from fibula fracture and surgery resulting from slip on wet grass and planter flexion of my ankle. Ankles only go so far. Missing my first ski season in 51 years sucks, I feel your pain, heal fast!!!

 

[Stevie Boy]

@JAS wouldn't,t be buying a Cessna then would I.

[Stevie Boy]

@Rednucleus what is your objective here ?

 

Most people talk to the Dealer or Manufacturer, normally there is some sort of dialog, before shouting out.

[Andre]

@Stevie Boy Never read anything in Red's story that is blaming HO or implying it...

Just telling a story.

You drunk again ?

[Stevie Boy]

Lol! Always Drunk ! Either that or it,s the meds that keep me from talking to the other me.

[JAS]

@Stevie Boy just keep it under maneuvering speed

[Rednucleus]

No blame, no shame, just thought fellow ballers would be interested in this,and also curious if other folks have broken skis before. One of my buddies at Hilltop has broken 3 so far! BTW here's a pic of Douger's ankle 2 days post crash.

 

[lpskier]

I broke a ski in a tournament at Trophy Lakes several years ago. I’m pretty sure it was damaged by the airline the day prior and it took a couple sets for the ski to actually fail. And fail it did.