Guest Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Sounds like their university has implemented some BS policy that is forcing their club to not practice anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JayShower Posted August 8, 2022 Author Baller Share Posted August 8, 2022 More context: some crew rowers died in a freak accident in 2021 and now the university is being very strict with student clubs. https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2022/03/10/sportclubs https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-iowa-state-student-rowers-identified-after-deadly-boating-accident-n1262622 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2022 No good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted August 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2022 Chico State pulled that crap a long time ago and the team disaffiliated from the University and still competed as an independent club. The NCWSA does not require the university to recognize the club, at least it did not used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ETskier Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 I think back in the day at least, Purdue wouldn't even sanction or support a club. So, they practiced and competed on their own as an independent club. It may still be that way. I hope you all keep it going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 Skiers need to understand whether tournaments or collegiate teams- it’s all about risk management. The single largest factor determining whether something happens or not. That’s just reality . The second reality is that’s it’s much easier to avoid risk than manage it - hence decisions like this . Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 9, 2022 Administrators Share Posted August 9, 2022 @MDB1056 so much of what's wrong with Western culture today is about risk management. The whole safe sport thing is risk management. HR at most people's jobs is the company's risk management department. lawyers & risk management are the enemy of fun. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 @Horton - I don’t disagree, but that doesn’t change the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 What @Horton said. HR department at work is NOT there to protect the employee. It is there to protect the employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 I truly hope that the unaffiliated students who attend Iowa State while independently practicing and competing in water skiing competitions will continue to share their love of 3 event skiing with new unaffiliated students for years to come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski2000 Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 This is a sad thing that is happening. I have 2 boys that were really looking forward to skiing on ISU’s team. We’re trying to keep the kids that are part of it skiing and there is an effort to make an unaffiliated club of students. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ski6jones Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 Very sad to hear this news, however if just one injury is prevented it's all worth it. YES, this is where that idiotic logic leads. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cooper_Trelawney Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 This is BS and an overreach. I hope these students can continue to compete as a non-affiliated entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 They were using a great site, too...Dream Lake Estates. Hopefully can work something out there unaffiliated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 1skinut Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 Petition Iowa State to shut down their football and basketball programs. They are too dangerous! What about the rodeo club? Oh my! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 I would like to submit to Iowa State University that no waterskier has ever shown signs of CTE. They must shut down football for sure. And I freekin love college football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Broussard Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 Petition Iowa State to shut down their football and basketball programs. You do realize that both football and basketball are revenue generating activities and as such play under different rules than club sports which cost universities money. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 @Broussard well sort of... Title IX basically does this: So in the end most "club sports" are only given say a 500$ a year contribution and then "free" use of certain facilities like meeting rooms to host their weekly meetings. So the "Club" stuff doesn't really cost them money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RazorRoss3 Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 There will be efforts to reverse this decision and I hope that all BOS members will support them as they come. Let’s not accept defeat just yet. It would be really good if NCWSA/AWSA leadership started working with that team to lobby the school as well. Collegiate skiing is our sport at its best, but it wouldn’t take much for other schools to see ISU as an example so it’s important to support them. I know a few ISU alum, any efforts they bring into the action phase I’ll do my best to pass along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Broussard Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 Got it so football brings in $25,000,000 men's basketball bring in $7,000,000 and water skiing costs $500-$6,000 (based on the ISU Sport Clubs Manual) But football = men's basketball = water skiing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 1skinut Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 @Broussard I apologize for my apparent failed use of the sarcasm font in my previous post. I love college football and basketball and have no desire to shut them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JayShower Posted August 9, 2022 Author Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 @RazorRoss3 the NCWSA left this comment under their post: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RazorRoss3 Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 @JayShower didn’t see that, I hope there is an ongoing appeal in that case. Some of my ISU friends are sharing posts urging individuals to email recservices@iastate.edu and wolfe@iastate.edu expressing discontent with the ruling in an effort to overturn - as an update to my previous post about ongoing efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DaveD Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 I would rename the club “State of Iowa Waterski Team” and refuse to wear ISU apparel. No need to give the university free advertising if they aren’t going to support the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 Our jackets and shirts and swag used to say "Team Chico Tournament Waterskiing" and that was it. And we kept the team boat (which was donated by a parent) and kept title in the President's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mheinz39 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 as a member of the isu class of 1990 and one of the original group that got the club up and running I will not be supporting that institution any longer nor will I wear any of their shit. extremely disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted August 9, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2022 A possible solution: FSAE has a design & compete competition, entrants are from Universities around the globe with ~120-150 schools participating in the competition, which is to design a formula race car and then compete in a variety of events. A particular University turned down the proposal made by a student of that school to have an entry at this years competition. His ingenious solution as he was a transfer student was to ask his Community College if he could form a team and have the Community College represent them. "sure no problem". Students were from both schools on the team. Fast forward to the competition and they finished 20th out of 120+ entries beating several top notch Universities from around the US and world, damn impressive. We gave them the creative idea of the event. So maybe if ISU stands as a firm no, a transfer student could petition his CC to be the umbrella. Best of luck finding a solution to keep the team going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 @Broussard point is that a waterski club is entirely meaningless to the university from a cost perspective. Out of 80 Million bucks they shuffle around for sports waterskiing is not moving their needle. Having started a college trap shooting team that had to operate completely unsanctioned from the university off of an early Facebook page the question becomes what hardship will the team have if they become a completely independent ski club. Maybe the reality is that all college ski teams should have a "club" that is open to public membership to operate and do recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 @BraceMaker ah can of worms and a headache. I hope we never get to that point. NCWSA BOD and others are involved to help Iowa State for the best outcome possible for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 @MattP hopefully not - it would be great to be able to have collegiate teams with real support even if they were on the negative side of the sports budget. But when TItle IX does what it does the schools are looking at their budgets and offsetting the net positive of men's football, basketball, wrestling?? and baseball?? with the net negative of women's sports and co-ed sports like waterski get shoved to the side. My undergrad had a women's rowing team that had a more than 1 million dollar a year budget, their own trainers, boat house, brand new boats. They made the men's club fundraise to buy the boats they were throwing away. That's just how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 I work in competitive rowing on the men and woman’s side. I know the disparity of title IX. We don't want to see that in skiing. As a NCWSA National Director I can tell you we do not want NCAA to get involved with NCWSA for many reasons at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted August 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2022 For those who like to read rules... https://www.ncwsa.com/resources/NCWSA%20Tournament%20RuleBook.pdf#page=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jercrane Posted September 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2022 Sign the petition and help them get some coverage. https://www.change.org/p/save-iowa-state-water-ski?signed=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted September 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2022 Signed.... Reading the continued reporting of this makes it seem like Iowa State has just become a very uninteresting university in regards to extracurriculars. I suspect the sales of Keystone Light at the Kum&Go around Ames is going to go up this fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted September 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2022 "...following the death of 2 members..." Anyone knows what happened? My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ mike_mapple Posted September 2, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted September 2, 2022 Andre, I dont really know but I was told it was people from the crew (rowing) not skiers from what I understood, hopefully someone can shed better light on it Performance Ski and Surf Mike@perfski.com 👾 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2022 @Andre, it was the rowing club and from the information through the link below it looks like they were out in rough conditions. https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2021/09/13/crewreviewsummary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller storm34 Posted September 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2022 @Andre - definitely not members of the waterski club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller AmandaLR Posted September 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2022 I would really appreciate if you took some time to sign this petition, to help save my Iowa State Water Ski Club!! The link is below. https://chng.it/MqZwXnydHn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ski2000 Posted September 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 2, 2022 Signed. I have two boys that wanted to ski at Iowa State. Let’s make this happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted September 3, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted September 3, 2022 Signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul235 Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 Signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted September 4, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2022 signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted September 6, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2022 If you are back at work and reading BoS over lunch because you wish you were on the water, you’re just like these kids. Please sign their petition if you haven’t already. Hopefully it helps. https://www.change.org/p/save-iowa-state-water-ski?signed=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rayn Posted September 6, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2022 An FYI. Donations on charge.org do not go to the petition writer. They support change.org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jgills88 Posted September 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2022 The petition is currently at 5,000+ signatures and made it onto the local news! https://www.kcci.com/amp/article/iowa-state-university-water-ski-club-fights-for-survival/41109741 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ETskier Posted September 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2022 Are you getting any help from usaws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jgills88 Posted September 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2022 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted September 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2022 Disaffiliate from the school. Form a new club comprised of students who ski and are enrolled in the university. Use a name that is not "Iowa State University" and have an asterisk on all the swag that says "not affiliated with Iowa State University or any of its dickhead officers or board members" Apply to NCWSA for club recognition and get AWSA club insurance. Go skiing while giving the finger to the University. The best thing the Chico team ever did was to stop begging the University for permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted September 11, 2022 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2022 signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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