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8 hours ago, Mastercrafter said:

Is that little point all the microtuner is?

Well @Mastercrafter there are two on each side thats 4xs the "tuning"  

23 hours ago, BKistler said:

@RAWSki I resemble that remark. I never had a good day at Lymanland. 

@BKistler  Exactly!  But I think Regina did last fall.....  Dont let the dye get on your skin----- OR in your head.

You can probably have the 'micro tuners' shut down, they don't make a huge difference for those line lengths IMO.  But you need to make sure the hydro-gate works properly unless you just want it to be locked in Slalom mode.     The original hydro-gate setting seemed to default  to the Slalom but the new units Nautique started using last year appears to default to Trick 10 when shut down.   

Dye definitely  makes a lake look good and good skiers will ski it well.  Bad skiers will ski bad and blame the dye.  

Radar buoys from either Wakehouse or PerfSki ----  can't beat the price 

@Spencer_Shultz congrats you are months away from endless work, "to do lists" AND constant joy!  

7 minutes ago, The_MS said:

I still need to try the TEAM. I thought it would be around a bit longer 

Titanium

 

I suspect the XTR Team will be around for a while, too many people love the shape and ski it well.  Excited to see what Goode has been working on.  Their new trick skis seem to be catching on.

I always find it slightly ironic that for 35 years no respected manufacturer had  wood used in the construction of their boats.   But many skiers opt to hang a nice piece of lumber on the back of a new boat --- if its a MC.  

I actually really like the design of the ProStar glass platform,  believe its better than SN, Bu + CP.    I will take the fiberglass deck and replace a mat once every 6-8 years.  

The average price of a new car is now $47k.  That seems crazy to me but there is a tremendous amount of technology and safety to factor in.  And there are 15 MIllion Cars sold every year..     So an average price of a ski or surf boat at $150k when only made in total quanties of 10,000 annually actually seems like a bargain.      

Interesting that they are showing us the ballast percentage and mention hydro-gate settings. But what is with the weight bags on the floor in the back? This is defintely a rules "no no" for ProStars------Does that equate to a trick ++ setting?? LOL

1 minute ago, Horton said:

@MISkier Yes but that is not the current culture of the sport and I know for a fact there is some level of worry about the increased liability of older boats. 

Sounds like the current culture doesn't trust people/clubs to take care of their boats beyond 2 years.  I would not have a problem skiing an 8-10 year old ZO boat at an event.  Assuming I know the Chief Judge and Driver have checked it out.  We have taken a 2015 and 16 CP to slalom events in 2020-21 when sites were short on promos.  

3 hours ago, Horton said:

Yes there are some real safety and liability issues with older boats at tournaments but every year we have less promo boats. The sooner the sport works this out and accepts old boats as tournament boats the better.

@Horton I believe that has happened.  Basically any boat previously approved by AWSA Boat Committee can be used in a class C, I am sure @MISkier can provide more details but even the ELR events have slightly less restrictive requirements.  

Anyone know much about the SP Skis out of Cyprus?  He has 3 slalom models now as well as a Trick and Jump skis.

Do those really make a difference?  I remember when Malibu first installed down turned tips many years ago they actually made their boats louder!  (Of course there may not have been any baffles in them of course)

9 hours ago, Broussard said:

 

We used to go out of way to create atmosphere at events: beer trucks, vendor tents, music on site, etc. and often made concessions to try and increase spectator appeal: four buoy courses, head to head formats (even tried in W jump at one point), announced line lengths in "feet on," freestyle jump...

Now its more like a golf tournament with death by slalom.

@Broussard  I mostly agree with you, ----- I do think if colleges are putting a good competitive product on their field they will fill their stadiums and most are selling beer now!.  

And yes my point is that we used to take "the show" to where the people would be or want to be anyway.  Lake Lanier Islands, Sea Worlds, Central Parks etc.   The skiers understood and dealt with the conditions because there was money to be earned plus the atmosphere created by the tour and TV coverage really added to the event.  Could it be done now?  Maybe not, the Masters is close, and the event I watched last year on TWBC from Lake Hancock looked great, I hope they can keep building on that.

@Horton thanks for doing this it does remind us about some great skiers from different eras.

Looking forward to seeing the T, J and Overall standings!

I find it interesting that two of the three events listed are constantly 'asterisked' for being less than ideal conditions.  But when most Ballers reminise about the 'good ole days' or "hot summer nights era"...... They seem to forget that none of the sites were ideal or even of Robin Lake Quality.   So did the sport loose favor+sponsors or did the we, as a sport,  transition to a private "Country Club Mentality" ??

Ya we prefer the orange as well they seem to visually pop better when its overcast or early and late in the day.

Those just both look red in the photo, is there a difference in person?

@The_MS   is it just the photo or do your two balls look almost the same!??  

Happy Birthday by the way! 😉

@eleeski looks reminiscent of many boats before 2000 that had ride plates off the back with manual threaded adjustment.  These were 'legal' by AWSA rules although a driver could tweak their boat to their liking.

Then Tige came out with TAPs and that was deemed illegal because it was variable.  

Now Nautique has multiple hull adjustments that are more consistent-controllable in theory.

2 hours ago, Dano said:

@stevezie You summed Centurion up pretty good.  Great wakes, rough ride.  If you have calm water these boats skied really well.  The Falcon hull was a great skiing boat with very little spray.  Wood stringers was one of the negative to them as well.  I think the Tru Tracs and Lapoints were very similar and I'd expect them to ski very well too.  I believe the Eclipse was a continuation of the Falcon hull but was composite construction and open bow.

@stevezie agree with your review completely I had a 2000 Eclipse and it was always praised for its wakes and pull.  It had the Scorpion Merc and cruise control plus a lot of torque filed onto the rudder made it pretty decent to drive in the course but it still took some skill.   A really hard right turn also invited a "chine flop" but I never found it felling unsafe.......@Dano The Eclipse did have basically the same running surface as the Falcons-Lapoints but they widened and lengthened it above the water line.  It was almost 20'8"!  

4 hours ago, Horton said:

I'm pretty close to the point where I might just ban any post on the subject that feels like it's just beating the dead horse further

Didnt I say Slippery Slope a week or two ago?

What is the mens and women "slalom challenge" scheduled for later today?   Is it a consolation round?  

The new Exec Dir of USAWS said in a recent interview.  "It's not going away" it is what it is.  I think of SS like having to go to the DMV every few years to renew my license . 

Annoying for sure but after an hour of stupidity it's over and done. 

A few California "sleepers" might include the MB190 boss  and the MB200LS

The Tige 2000comp and 2002slm  (Those are models not years)

And Centurion Falcons, LaPoints and the Eclipse. (same hulls with tweaks)

(The original Tiges and Falcons were all made by Fineline-Centurion)

I owned a Carbon Pro and the wakes at slalom speed were really good as mentioned.  But if you want to go "way back" I might give the nod to a '94 ProStar 190 the wakes from 30-36 might have even been better.