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@MickeyThompson, have you tried Kaboom? We have extremely hard water at our site and Kaboom always cleans the boat right up. After that we use spray wax to get some wax back on the boat.

We have skied half as many sets this year compared to last year. Water was 54 degrees tonight which is cold for us this time of year. Last year at this same time our water was in the mid 60's. The water and air was warmer when we put the course in six weeks ago. Hopefully the worst is over.

It was a Quest Christmas this morning at my house. I received some demo skis and am looking for any updated settings. I would like to keep track of skiers current settings and notes in a Google spreadsheet for anyone interested. I have @horton and @bishop8950 settings for a 67" and @jdarwin settings for a 68". If you have settings to share, please post or message me. Also, let us know what front binding you are using and any comments to add to the spreadsheet. Thanks in advance for your input.

I heard that Nick was taking a practice jump, landed normal but his sling arm caught the water and pulled ligaments or a bone off his elbow. He is having surgery next week.

At 5,000 feet, we really like the 6.0 410 hp. It is smooth, turns low rpm's and pretty good with fuel economy. Could not go back to the 350 hp after owning the 6.0.

@MattP, never. You are definitely the go to man for scores. Thank you!

For those interested in following the junior worlds, here is some limited information I have been able to find. Looks like the running orders and possible scores might be posted here: http://www.iwwfed-ea.org/competition.php?cc=T-12IWWF05&page=TimeTable The time zone is GMT +11 so will start sometime on Tuesday afternoon here in the states. From this bulletin it looks like the actual competition does not start until Thursday. http://www.iwsf.com/dbheadlines/headlinefiles/Junior%20Worlds%20bulletin%202%20Sept.pdf I am pretty sure this is the site on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps?q=Twin+Lakes,+Mulwala,+New+South+Wales,+Australia&hl=en&sll=39.499761,-111.547028&sspn=6.365433,9.876709&oq=Twin+Lakes,+Mulwala,+Aust&t=h&hnear=Twin+Lakes&z=16 If anyone has skied at the site, I would love to hear more about it. Looks like a beautiful site. Any idea why a lot of the information states that it is the 2012 Junior Worlds? @Mattp, do you know of anyone who will be tweeting scores?

Thank you @Horton. You sure made this fun!

CP just made my day. Thanks @mattp and Jenna for the updates.

@MattP, are the top two picked from combined scores from R1 and R1 or the top scores?

Thanks @horton. That was fun. It made me more interested in the tournament. I can't believe more ballers did not do it. Thanks for such a great meeting place for skiers.

The handicap method would allow women to compete.

@scotchipman, it has been a few years since I have been to Shortline but the first thing that stood out was the great wind protection. There were strong west winds there but the lake was situated such that it was totally protected. It also has very minimal backwash if any. The starting dock worked great for the event and there were no safety hazards. They are able to efficiently ski a lot of skiers during a tournament. To say the least, Shortline is a beautiful site that is very well done....especially for being one of the older sites. Barry stated above that there are almost two types of water ski sites. In my opinion, it is really hard to have a great world class tournament site when you have homes and docks lining all the shorelines. This is especially true for windy areas since you cannot have the rows of trees need for good wind protection. I don't think I have been to a "homeowners" type site where you do not get some backwash from the docks. This is especially true when you have docks on both sides of the lake. For safety reasons, the lakes also have to be wider (less wind protection) when you have docks on both sides.

@ski6jones, individual courses.

@scotchipman, I have been thinking about your question for the last couple of days since @brady posted the thread on digging a ski lake. I still do not have an answer. Discussed this with a very respected water ski friend last night and the first thought for both of us was Shortline in Elk Grove. There are a lot of other sites that have numerous nice qualities too. That is why I think anyone considering developing a lake project should visit several of the better sites, talk to a lot of people who know their stuff and put all those good qualities and ideas into the site they are building.

@Horton, I knew you would be over 100. You will keep thinking of more in the next day or two.

Yesterday I was thinking about all the different ski sites I had been to and what I liked about each of them. I then started to wonder how many different slalom courses I had skied on. The next thing I knew, I was counting them by the state they were in. It took me a few minutes to come up with the number of 46. About two hours later I remembered three in my own state that I had forgot to count. This morning I thought of two more in CA. I don't travel like I used to so I am guessing a lot Ballers could be well over 100.

@Brady, you are starting on the right path with investigating as much as possible and asking tons of questions. The main thing is to talk to the people who have actually done lake projects, improve on what they have done and fix the mistakes they have made. Here are just a handful of the hundreds of things I would consider: What is the water source and what are the water rights for that particular property? How are you going to seal the lakes? These are our biggest issues and expense at SunTen. A sealed lake with water rights and a good water sources are huge issues when you are digging a lake in Utah. Even with the greatest snow on earth, Utah is still the second driest state in the nation. More things to consider... what is the history of the wind conditions in the area? If you are going to try to protect from the wind, it has to be a cross wind and the soil has to be good enough so you can plant the right trees for wind protection. Wind is also a factor on the amount of water you will need. Other important items are everything from the turn islands, docks, boat ramps, jump ramps and location of these items all need to be well planned in advance. I have been to lakes that do not use their docks or turn island due to they were put in the wrong place. I have also been to other places where the jump ramp has limits on how far the jumpers can jump due to a turn island or shore being in the way. Some sites have jump ramps in places that throw rollers right into the slalom course and you have to wait longer at the ends of the lake for the rollers to clear. Before you even start go ski, drive, launch a boat and spectate on 20+ sites and talk to the actual lake project managers. See what works for them and what could be better. Document everything from water sources, how the lakes are sealed, shorelines, location of everything and how those things are working in those locations. Does the lake have backwash? If so, why? How is the weed situation and why? How is the soil? Were they able to plant trees for wind block? We have adapted at SunTen for the conditions and funds we have/had. Adapting means we have spent a lot of money re-digging and re-sealing both lakes, rebuilding two big docks and we had to re-drill a deep well because it was not done right from the start. Even with our past experience, we still hired a lake developer who knew how to dig and seal lakes to oversee the actual work on the lakes that was done in recent years. Everyone at SunTen would probably tell you that the price of the land is not the reason to dig a ski lake there. There are a lot of other factors that are much more important such as water sources, property location and wind conditions. They would also tell you that before you spend the money, investigate and do it right the first time. Go have some fun skiing, visit a ton of sites and talk to people who know their stuff.

@greghayes, promo TXI's that are at high altitude (over 5,000 feet) with the 6.0 engine come with the 11.5" prop. Some short setup sites at high altitude even use the 11" prop. At lower altitude and the 6.0, you could easily go to the 12" prop. You might notice a little hull shot but overall it would lover your rpm's. I would definitely give it a try with your boat, lake and altitude. It never hurts to have a spare prop on hand anyway. Maybe there are some ballers that can give some suggestions on the best place to order Acme props. You will also need a prop puller and spare cotter pins, if you don't already have them.

@ral, I also forgot to ask what your altitude was.

@Ral, What size engine do you have, how many hours and how long are your setups?

@stevie boy, good luck tomorrow. We will all be thinking of you. Give us updates with your progress. If you get down, send out a message and we will be here for support!

@Brady, I had searched for it several times. Today I cut and pasted the exact wording Matt had in that order and somehow that got me closer. Previously I had searched for Palembang Jakabaring Sport Complex. I also had scanned the entire city looking for lakes but only could find the river and ponds that were not big enough.

@mattp, I think I might have just found the lake. -3.018598,104.795401 I wonder if anyone can confirm this? From my memory, the World Cup has been famous for picking sites with poor skiing conditions. They get the crowds instead.

Has anyone been able to find the site location on Google Earth? Any information about the site and conditions? Have not been able to find much information about this World Cup.