JeffSurdej

international boys and girls

@Horton Do you want to start be commission the BOS FWS Conference?

After a few months off, the pro water ski circuit is back this weekend with 2 FWS events. First is the Travers Grand Prix Proam http://www.traversgrandprix.com/athletes.html with Mens Slalom (pick 2) and a salary cap $282,684. Then on Mothers Day enjoy the Swiss Pro Slalom http://www.swissproslalom.com/index.php with both mens and womens slalom, (pick 2 each) and a salary cap of $532,592. Live webcast of Sundays event by the Waterski Broadcasting Company @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqt7H8Qv2XY. Live results also @ https://worldwaterskiers.com FWS has made some changes the last few months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -You now must select a full team, meaning all slots must be filled and remember to his SAVE TEAM or your roster will not be entered into the tournament. -You can now create private conferences to play with you and your friends, just hit the new conference link up top and create a conference between 2 and 12 players, give it a name, create a pass code and share it as commissioner of the conference with whom you want to invite to play. You can only create one conference per user but you can join as many conference as you like. Your drafted roster will be the same in all the conference you join. We would love feedback to the conference play, this weekend is sort of a beta test of the new conference features. -We also made the draft page on mobile a little more friendly with less scrolling needed to sort through the skiers, let us know your thoughts. http://www.fantasy.ski/Account/Login

Anyone have a running order or list of entrants?

@Horton solid points, I'm sure you could find an intern.

@Horton hate to say this but maybe adding clubs should be phase 2, just concentrate on ambassador for now

@Horton maybe I'm over thinking it, but was just commenting that when you click on ambassador it wierd to me to see pictures of lakes not people, i know an ambassador might be from a lake or use a lake but I just think of ambassador as a face of someone who will be helping these newbies

@Horton text looks good, when i click on the 13 ambassadors so far is it wierd that they are all clubs, should ambassadors be people?

@Horton should we have a lot more data (clubs ambassadors etc ) in there before going public? Or you thinking we need it to go public to get that data

@Horton is Terri Winter said programmer? Will we be laying him ?

@Horton ok got it and it worked, but I didnt know to look for "send inquiry" since that will be the main call to action perhaps it should be more prominent or part of the pop up on homepage.

@Horton forgive my ignorance but how do I email an ambassador if I go on site not logged in, or do we need o create a fake user account so to speak, login that way and then try and email ourselves as ambaSSADORS

Ann Gay ran 10,700 today, who will be the first female to 11k, Anna, Erika, or Neilly?

@Horton pretty easy set up overall, only thing I was confused on was if I was going to list as ambassador, what if I do not want to put a ski club, can I not do that?

@RazorRoss3 you can ski any region for non placement. Also how has no one commented that @Horton is qualified in tricks?

Towboat test are in a few weeks so right now we are holding off any judgment on possible rule changes or effects on rules with the new boat. We will know much more after the towboat test. I don't forsee there being any issues as long as the boat gets tested in all fashions of possible use in tournaments. As far as the Iwwf vs awsa debate, you can still run L/R events under AWSA rules so our rulebook will apply to most our US L/R events.

@disland i love that, driver too

@disland correct, I could do that, would need some programming help but thats about it, we could at least start it as a separate list and go form there if it gains momentum

@Wish excellent point, there are plenty motivated by rankings alone, but also a large group not motivated by it. This is where some of the new leagues are popping up. So whats a good hook? does it need to be some series such as poker has the WSOP, we could have the WSOB (buoys). I do think some type of point system rankings is also very very valid. Personally I am not motivated by our current rankings b/c its basically a PB list. I hate going to a tourney, having a rank of say 105 buoys, I ski 104 and it does nothing for my rankings. If a batter goes 3 for 4 one night it changes his average for the season. I personally think we need a rankings system that takes into account much more, participation, more round, more scores, placing high at big events, points for beating ranked skiers, etc.

@Wish i think that's still a good debate. It only takes L6 to get to regionals in most regions. I think most regions would welcome extra entries even if via practice scores, I don't have issues with that, just a little worried about how far up the list we start accepting practice scores, that's all. If it brings in 1000 new members than we could say who cares right? but we also have to balance fairness and competition in our rankings as it is one of our top most valued selling points to becoming an active and tournament participating member.

@Kelvin so perhaps just a filter, we keep the one the way it is now which is tourney scores only, this determines qualifications and rankings champions and then we allow practice scores and simply add a filter to show rankings for all, just like you can filter now to show foreign skiers or not?

@dchristman thats not a bad idea, as long as we miss out on hundreds of L8 guys that could become members who are at that level and would partake in this new system. I want to be open enough to bring in a lot of people but at the same time make it fair.

@Chef23 I think rankings its a bigger deal than you think, and our voting membership will have a coronary if we allow a guy who turns a practice score of 2 @ 39 to out rank a guy who ran 1 @ 39 in 3 class c events. Maybe I am wrong. I think getting practice scores in there is very valid idea but we have to be careful how it is done. So in golf, i understand that all these scores make up your handicap, but do they do a rankings based on any of these practice scores?

@Chef23 @disland I think one issue is that we have created a rankings list that has become more important than placing at reg/nat, so if we only exclude L10 I think its going to be an issue for a skier to end the year ranked #5 via pure practice scores. I'm not saying to exclude these from rankings b/c I think this being part of our current rankings is key but if this is going to pass the board you are going to have a big stink about a practice scores counting just as much as a score at nationals. There was one year that the top 10 M3S skiers did not even go to nationals yet ended the year ranked #1-#10, you cant do that in any other sport. So I'm just wondering if we need a shift in the way rankings average are computed at the same time we start allowing practice scores, to real make this work? or we have a filter on rankings to include or exclude practice scores? so one can see where they rank either way?

I think for starters I would not try and collect fees, that brings a whole new level of programming to the system, the goal would be for $19.95 a year you get unlimited (maybe 1 per day) practice scores. I would hope the majority of skiers that would do this are not current tournament skiers and thus would become new AWSA members. That's good enough. This may not be very hard to do as long as we do not complicate it with video and gps etc, at least for the start. Where I struggle still, is how this would play into our current ranking system, I saw a numerous post that said "who cares if the scores are not legit" they still have to show up and prove themselves at reg/nat", if that's the case then where do these practice scores go? b/c someone could turn in some deep 38's, be ranked top 10, ski regionals and suck, but he is still ranked top 10. I don't think that's a good idea. So would this be a searate rankings or filter or incorporated into our current system, and if so how?