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Anyone see scores posted anywhere?

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It is definitely something we are working on. It is a lot of work to do it like kelvin does for NCWSA Nationals, lots of camera crews and non stop production by Kelvin. But I think we can put something together. Since we have boat video already it would be great to just make that a permanent live feed. Would be great for those back home who want to tune in to watch their friends and family. or as jody said if we can do the top 10 seeds in the top half of divisions. Something is better than nothing, we got to start somewhere.

@WaterSkier12 whats the age of your son? you currently pay $175 for 3 actives, under the new system you should pay $30 family and then 2 active licenses for you and your wife and one under 25 for your son. Total $195, now remember $15 of that is not really part of the transition from current system to licensing, what I mean is all active licenses are going up $4.95 regardless of the new license system, so the change in your pay to play model is actual $5 from current. But overall $20 more a year total for all 3 of you. The good thing is once your son is 18-24 you will remain in this $195 structure until he is 25. under the old system where families dependent ended at 18, your total previously, when your son turned 18, would have been $255, and now under new system its $195. So a little more now, a little less during his college years.

@Bill22 yes Fantasy will be up and running. Working on some enhancements to be able to play by conferences with friends but not sure we'll have play for money ready by Moomba.

one item to remember and take into account is families may include people U25 rather than U18. That saves members money. There are probably 300 scenarios. Take a family of 5 with three children Over 18 but Under 25. It was $325 and is now $265 – savings of $60.

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@sunperch no additional surcharge for an official, but if your wife or if you have someone in the family who does not compete but officiates they can get a membership for $10 less.

The new structure is much more of a pay as you play model. Depending on the size of family and whether those in the family are active, officials, GR, etc. Lots of combinations, but yes some will be less, some will be more. The way it was structured before it was a loss of profit for almost all families to the organization which is no way to do business especially when half the membership is family. So we had to make some adjustments, but certainly we do not want to drive families away as our sport is based on family. 2 good things are that an entire family of 6 can join USA-WSWS now for just $30 so thats going after the masses, those not competing, and another good new thing is that the dependents on families now goes to 25 years old not 18. But yes if you have 3-4 or more active members in the family there is going to be an increase.

@Chad_Scott I don't, let me see if I can get that, this is just from the towboat document pulled from WSTIMS which I'm not sure relates back to the sanction indicating closed or open, but it may, let me see.

@MISkier yes the $7 guest member would only have insurance coverage if the event was sanctioned as a practice. It is easy to do though, a club can sanction the entire year with one simply application. April 1st through September 30th or whatever dates you need, one sanction and you are covered at all practices, everyday. I don't think we do a good job of telling clubs they can and should do this. This is a major benefit of the insurance.

This may not be 100% accurate but if it is the proportions are off equally. This data here is just purely what came in from WSTIMS, no relation to promo vs private. My prelim guess is that about 25% of events are being pulled by non promo boats. A lot more than I thought. Malibu 260 52.85% Mastercraft 249 50.61% Nautique 424 86.18% Total Tournaments 492

I'm a little late to this thread but it is important not to only look at this as a name change. A name change alone would be worthless. We changed the name to get industry behind us. It was time for an entire new business model at USA-WSWS. The same ole same ole is not working. We have long been a competition only NGB. You only join b/c you need to, not b/c you want to and as long as we cater to only competition we will never be much bigger than we are. This new initiative is not just a change to waterski and wakesports. It has 2 real big game changers. It starts with a new membership at $19.95, everyone buys this, there is no second class citizen membership, one membership for everyone, you get all the benefits, discounts, magazine, just can not compete. Then you buy licenses to compete, there will be a new officials only license (cheaper), and a new tournament guest pass for new members to try a class C event for just $25. The 2nd great part is that for the first time ever we finally have industry related discounts from some of the major companies...Radar / Ronix, D3, Connelly / CWB, HO / Hyperlite, O’Brien, AirHead / Sports Stuff . We can finally sell AWSA this to the thousands of non competitor skiers that are out there still enjoying our sport but not competing. Before the membership was hard to sell, now you can say for $19.95 you get 10% off your new ski......NO BRAINER. Build membership, increase #'s, then comes more sponsors. We want to sell them more product, it's as simply as that. I sure would love to see a few thousand ballers join and support AWSA for just $19.95, we all love this sport, good change is in the works, we just had our first AWSA active membership increase in 20 years, your support would go along way in building a future for the sport for all our kids to enjoy.

A lot of good ideas on this thread, and we are excited where this is headed. I wanted to chime in on AWSA's part in all this. @Horton has been very supportive of AWSA and our current efforts to grow the sport. And I can not thank him enough for that. Regardless of what anyone thinks of usa-wsws and/or AWSA, we all love the sport and all have the same goal.....to grow the sport...and it's going to take a team effort to do it. John reached out to me regarding the ambassador program in an effort to move it away from the ballofspray domain as not to interfere with his current business. We debated for about 6 months on whether to give it it's own domain or make it part of the USA-WSWS site. Ideally it belongs on USA-WSWS as anyone new to the sport should have a landing page they can go to to welcome them, find places to ski, find the nearest courses, clubs, etc. We do not do a good job of this now on usawaterski.org at all. After much thought I have come to realize that Usawaterski.org may not be the place for that. Its a site designed to be a national governing body that is trying to be the home to 9 different sports disciplines. It is the place you go to see governance documents, rules, insurance and membership info, rankings, etc. So to be both a NGB site and a place for welcoming new skier it needs a complete redesign. WWA does a great job of being both https://www.thewwa.com/ but it doesnt have 9 sports to cater to. This had led me to wonder if AWSA should have its own domain, one where we can cater to waterskiing specifically, and produce lots of good ideas under our own programming control. NCWSA has its own and it works much better as a community for college skiers, and most other sport disciplines have their own as well. barefoot, kneebord, etc. But John was ready to kick off this ambassador program and I was not ready to start awsa.org at this time so we decided to start a 3rd party domain and kick off this effort that will be a joint AWSA and BOS initiative. Eventually it will lead to geo based location of where courses are, where people can ski, and lots of others initiatives, whether it stays on wheretowaterski or moves to awsa.org or usawaterski.org. Just wanted to clarify all that a bit. So we need ambassadors and we need good ideas how how we a) find new skiers b) connect them with ambassadors c) find these new skiers access to waterskiing d) and get them to be a part of the waterski community long term. AWSA is currently working with a new NCWSA/AWSA liaison committee to build a database of college skiers and alumni going back decades so we can reach out to them and get them connected with places to ski. It's been slow going thus far but I think this avenue will be an important part of @Horton gameplan. AWSA will be able to dedicate funds to this idea as well via PPC. Just did some keyword planning tool on GA, about 10-100 monthly searches for :where to waterski" about 100-1k for just waterskiing. none for where do i find a slalom course, leanr to waterski had 100-1k a month. So not too bad, would be cheap adwords due to low competition

@Kelvin In other words anyone level 8 is not required to do maintenance. right?

@6balls before I respond in too much detail, what missing maintenance requirement caused the expired rating, lack of clinic or lack of tournament credits? As @BRY indicated above you only need 4 credits in 2 years and 2 of those can be done online now through a new CE program so in reality its 1 tourney a year or 6 skiers a year to maintain your rating. I "hear" the how hard is to count to six theory a lot, and yes that is true but one of the issues is that an assistant judge may not just be sitting on a tower, they might be in the boat, have to make re-ride calls, realize what ZBS is, check conditions, communicate with driver, etc. So I think skiers also deserves officials who are up to date on rules as skiers have worked very hard to get where they are. It would almost be nice to have a boat judge rating vs a tower judge rating b/c you are right, once you learn how to judge slalom you shouldn't need much maintenance. One discussion at the meeting this weekend is to move to 4 year renewals instead of 2, this will give members more time to take care of maintenance and would be a lot less work on everyone. Hope this helps

@LeonL PROPOSAL: 4.02C2 is merely conforming to the current ZBS rule, which states one can not ski above div max in E,L,R. So yes I guess one way to look at it is that a class C score is higher or more valuable but its not that its more valuable or higher it just that ZBS is allowed in C. What we discovered is that when a skier changes divisions, where there is a speed change, those scores achieved in the prior division at a speed that is now higher than his new division max speed should not count b/c technically one can not ski above div max in E,L,R. FYI, prior to ZBS, anyone who moved up a division that changed speeds would always loose 6 buoys on those scores, so the real change here is that now they do not loose 6 buoys on their scores if they were achieved in class C due to ZBS. Clear as mud. @jcamp glad you like the mini course, it should pass but the beef will be that its allowed in class C and being added to the rulebook. To that I say, we currently allow class F scores (i.e mulligans) all the way into shortline (level 5) so if we are OK with that I sure hope we would be ok with a max score of 5.5 via the mini course on rankings. Only 25% of the country host class F events so if we make it class F only then we are not embracing what the mini course can bring to the table for the grassroots end of our sport. Lets be inclusive not exclusive! .

Any got round 2 results, distances for everyone?

@ntx we hope to improve on that in 2018, its a tough one, b/c its hard to know who is going to show up or not especially when they paid entry fees to come. I hope in 2018 we can get the athletes involved where they can communicate to us if they are out or not so we know right away. FWS will need to get more involved in the chief registrar to communicate these scratches as well.

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@LeonL Yes that is true and it was one point discussed last year when this was proposed that I think halted it. But yes a skier aged 65 could go ski 35+, 45+,55+, and 65+, not at he same tourney but yes they could go get themselves ranked in all of them. A 10 year could go do that now as well since the junior divisions are 13 and under and 17 and under but you just don't see that happening. @BlueSki no it doesnt really assume that its combined with ABD at the same time.

Kansas is working to see if they can add the US Open or perhaps a smaller version of it, the night jump has been a start in that direction, the issue is nothing more than $. Find the cash and we would be happy to bring it back to Nationals. Right now there isn't even a US Open let alone deciding where and when it should be. Sad but true. But we are trying

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@Horton agreed horton, that was the main reason behind starting a position dedicated to bridging the NCWSA/AWSA gap, but yes we need to talk about ambassador program and more. Hopefully soon, its on my list to catch up with you. I POSTED THIS IN WRONG FORUM EARLIER