Baller jedgell Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Just came across this while trying to find some info on the new Centurion boat.  Looks cool, not a fan of the carpet though. Anyone had a chance to ski one yet?   Price seems steep, comparable to a 200 CB promo with the 343. http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2011-CENTURION-Carbon-Pro-97414225 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller animal Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Interesting option list. Does anybody know what a gun sight buoy marker is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HO 410 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Anyone know off hand what the retail on a similarly trimmed MC or CC would be? It's got to be pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Craig Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Boat comes with an 'emergency backboard'? :whoa: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted September 15, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted September 15, 2010 That's what I want to look at right before I go out and jump!!! The back board! I feel confident! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 48,000 plus seems a little high giving that Centurion has not been on the tournament circuit for many years and this new boat has not proven its self. There is no carpeting in the boat it has foam padding for carpet. Great concept for skiers but for the average public I don't think it will go over very well. Curious what the promo price would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 That price isn't close to a retail 200CB, though. Our new team200 with a PCM Exc343 and single axle trailer retails at $64k(but it does have the special $2200 paint, though). That boat that's listed has a LOT of options, including the 6.0 which is a $6k option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 I thought one of the selling points for this boat was that it would be notably lower priced than its competition. If it's $48K that's gonna make it a non-starter for most folks considering a new or late model ski boat. If people didn't buy Gekko's, MB's etc (because they WEREN'T Big 3 boats)when they were available at much lower prices than Big 3 boats then I can't see too many taking a chance of losing their shirts on low resale for this one either. Just saying. If I had new boat money to spend and had to choose between say a new LXI, late model 196 or 197, or a new $48K Centurion, guess which one is at the bottom of the list?Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jim Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Actually Ed, $48K for a loaded boat WITH the 409 and a tandem trailer is a pretty good price. Figure at least $6k for the 409, toss in a single axel trailer, a few less options and this could be a 40K boat, compare that to a $60K 200 and it looks to me like a pretty good deal. Resale? How much are those $60K SN200's going to depreciate in a couple of years. Two years from now a 60K 200 is going to fetch maybe 40K, a 20K hit. I'm a SN guy but for my next boat I am going to take a serious look at this boat. Carpet? I wish my SN had either pads or snap in carpet, glued down carpet is a pain to keep clean. I'm kind of excited to see how this boat skis and drives. Keeping an open mind and an eye on my wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Exactly, with the Exc343 and a single axle trailer, that boat is right at $40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Yup, MC dual axle is $8,500 vs $4,500 for a single, minus the $6K for the engine upgrade and a few of the not so important options......right at or under 40K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller nam1975 Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Anyone know if this is an old hull from another boat.It doesn't jump out, but maybe a MC Prostar? I remember some of the old Waterski Boat Buyers guides a while back and how some of the different makes make looked familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller nam1975 Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Oh and a back board?...really....screams of bad karma! Maybe you could put bindings on it and go for a spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Boat prices are insane these days. When you can buy a 2 - 3 year old LXI, 196, 197 under $30K, even a brand new $40K boat seems a stretch to me. Not trying to be a naybob of negativity, just trying to keep it real. I hope the boat proves worthy and I hope to get to ski one in the not too distant future. But hell, I can't even get a pull behind a late model ZO-equiped boat of ANY brand out here in Podunk...Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Nam, Ski Centurion's have been around for a LONG time. The carbon appears to be based on the top deck style from the Ski Centurion Falcon from the 90s. It's a totally new hull, though, from what I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Mateo_Vargas Posted September 15, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2010 Is the back board carbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jedgell Posted September 16, 2010 Author Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 That 409 looks like it has the Cat exhaust, that's about a $10K upgrade for 2011 versus the 2010 343 from what I've been told by my local CC promo rep.  Brings the price even lower than a similarly equipped 200. Looking forward to seeing one in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted September 16, 2010 Supporting Member Share Posted September 16, 2010 BUY THIS BOAT!(I need them to stay in business, because someday it may be my only option. It's the only 2011 boat that is narrow enough to fit through the Mousehole tunnel on Lake Cochituate!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 From spending 15+ years on CC's promo team and presently turning a boat every two years, the "price" of a boat is irrelevant. You must apply some business accounting factors to the equation. It’s the “cost of ownership†that matters. If a boat costs $50k today and it will be worth $40k in 5 years, that’s $2k per year to own. Obviously, you must factor in the cost of money (let’s say 4%) so your total cost of ownership over the 5 year span is $20k – or $4,000 per year. So, if you can purchase a discounted Carbon Pro (not tricked out) for around $35k and sell it in 5 years for $25k, you’re better off than if you bought a CC200 for $50 and sold it in 5 years for $40k due to the cost of money factor. The higher the purchase price, the more risk you incur in depreciation as well as cost of money. Again, that’s assuming the resale of the Carbon Pro doesn’t tank similar to the Infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 They will have a boat at the Pro/Am this weekend. Hoping to get down there to look at it. Maybe some of the others going can get some good pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 .....or some video of skiers skiing behind it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LakeOneSkier Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 ... or even an opinion from someone who skied behind it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 $48k is the asking price of this totally decked out, new, boat. Some seem to be comparing that to the selling prices of 200's, which obviously is not apples to apples - hence the $72k retail I was quoted from my CC dealer for a CB. Single axle, 343 w/ ZO will easily be in the $30's out the door. Centurion crew's site has 2 videos - one drive by and one wake/spray. It turns flat, and the wakes look pretty darn nice. This boat might be hard to beat for the price - heck maybe regardless of price? I never thought I'd buy a Centurion, but I'm very interested in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 454SS Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 454SS Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 454SS Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 Thought I would put the videos up the wake looks pretty clean on this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 WOW, looks good. I just had to sell my two kids into slavery to pay for a new CC200 OB 6L. With this boat I would have only had to sell one of them.............Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted September 16, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 16, 2010 Ok, so when will it be at a tournament and/or approved to pull an AWSA event. Also, where can I get a test pull to see if i like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted September 17, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2010 AWSA boat tests are mid-October - I'm not certain of the timeframe for approval upon testing but suffice it to say, will probably be spring, 2011 before it would pull an event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 They just had the boat at the surf expo in orlando last weekend. Did anybody here test drive it or ski it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted September 17, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2010 One would think that if Centurion is a) serious about penetrating the market and b) convinced that they have a winner on their hands, then they would c) be getting them out there for people to ski, drive, and report on ASAP. Even if there are only a couple in existance at this point I'd be taking them anywhere I could to get as many people in contact with it as possible as quickly as possible. BEFORE folks start dropping their $$$ for the new '11's.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted September 17, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2010 The one at the Pro/Am this weekend will be pulling the legends event from what I was told. I'm going to try and get down there to look at it, if I make it, I will take some pictures and post them. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted September 17, 2010 Administrators Share Posted September 17, 2010 Darwin, Your post about cost of ownership is uncharacteristicly on point Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted September 17, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2010 "uncharacteristicly on point"? Was that intended as a compliment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted September 17, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2010 Horton, since your there and the boat was supposed to arrive last night, post some pic's for us!!!!Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jim Posted September 17, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2010 Ed, from what I have heard Centurion is serious and confident and working hard on point c. All they hype in the world is just that but they are sure they have a winner. Centurion has been around for a long time and has the resources to make this work. PCM drivetrains are the best in the business and already proven. Tough economy to sell anything but given the price their competition, coming in at a somewhat reasonable price point may work to there advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jim Posted September 20, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 20, 2010 Any updates? Anyone skied behind one yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 The boat just came out, and they are still dialing it in. The had it at Nationals, Surf Expo, and Diablo shores, so they are getting it in front of people. They had it on a lake at surf expo for 4 days straight for anyone that wanted to ski or drive it. The boat was built for tournament skiing and has a lot of great features that people will like, and it is priced less than anything from the big 3. However, performance will be the main determinent with its success. If skiers and drivers like it, it will sell.  There are only 3 boats built so far, so it is hard to get them in front of everyone. By next summer, hopefully you will see a lot more of them. A pic from Diablo shores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Another pic from Diablo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted September 20, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 20, 2010 ok, why the tandem trailer??? The boat is light. Tandem trailers are a pain in the you know what; plus they cost a bit more. i just don't see the advantage. MC was pushing tandems too. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Tandem trailers is a California thing. Most boats outside of California will have a single axle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted September 20, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 20, 2010 Skibug, The advantage of the Tandem Trailer is low tongue weight. As an example, I can pull my SN 200 around with my Lawnmower...... If you trailer a lot or go long distances I highly recommend one. The ride so much smoother you hardly know the boats there.....ED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted September 20, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 20, 2010 I guess I was being a little tongue in cheek...I know what the advantage is; but, at $4000 difference I can buy a bigger engine in my tow vehicle or a really big tractor. I have had 4 slalom boats and towed them half way across the country without issue. Just seems like overkill; but, whatever floats everone's personal boat....pardon the punn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jipster43 Posted September 20, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 20, 2010 Bob LaPoint seemed to be impressed with the boat at Diablo Shores. JP :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted September 21, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 21, 2010 It looks like he is on a pretty short line in the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 21, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 21, 2010 Who cares what trailer they put the boat on for a demo. You can't infer anything from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted September 21, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 21, 2010 Other than retail cost, meaning if they are advertising that demo at a MSRP w/trailer and engine upgrade the actual cost could be at least $10K less without those upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted September 27, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 27, 2010 I would go for the single axle trailer. My boat only gets towed less than 60 miles per year. I would think the tandem axle would be easier on the boat too. Less bumps and vibration from the road. The tandem axle does make sense you trailer your boat constantly, and for long distances. The Carbon Pro is a pretty sporty looking boat. Another closed bow option which I prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller h2oskier_sd Posted September 27, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 27, 2010 I like the lines on it, how does it drive though? how are the wakes and what does the inside look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted September 27, 2010 Baller Share Posted September 27, 2010 I heard from a very good source (Senior Driver) that it drives great and skis great.....FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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