Administrators Horton Posted November 8, 2011 Administrators Share Posted November 8, 2011 This weeks poll. More important to get light or strong Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller galejan Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 Strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller galejan Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 Strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 Solid power:weight ratio is probably more important. Due to comp weight lifting I have been terribly strong, but carried the extra mass that took as well. Prior to last season decided comp weight lifting is over, dropped 25 lbs (muscle bulk) and had my best season. I don't think anyone would call me weak, but I found myself far more consistent at shortline while being lighter on the boat at 190 lbs rather than 215. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 Solid power:weight ratio is probably more important. Due to comp weight lifting I have been terribly strong, but carried the extra mass that took as well. Prior to last season decided comp weight lifting is over, dropped 25 lbs (muscle bulk) and had my best season. I don't think anyone would call me weak, but I found myself far more consistent at shortline while being lighter on the boat at 190 lbs rather than 215. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted November 8, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lighter with increased core strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted November 8, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lighter with increased core strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 For years I would start my season heavy. As the season progressed, I would lighten up a bunch. I think that you build muscle pulling an extra 1-15 pounds and when you lighten up, it's easier. I would start around 206 and usually ski Nationals at 190-192. Since 2004 I have been eating better, drinking less and staying much lighter. I weighed in at 179 last week. I will top out at about 190 in the colder weather. I try to ski pretty much during the year, even if it is just open water. I really hate winter! I found that going to the "Y" and working out is great, BUT, nothing replaces skiing. I am going to work on riding my jump skis more this year. The longer, harder pull is better for cardio and legs. Light is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 For years I would start my season heavy. As the season progressed, I would lighten up a bunch. I think that you build muscle pulling an extra 1-15 pounds and when you lighten up, it's easier. I would start around 206 and usually ski Nationals at 190-192. Since 2004 I have been eating better, drinking less and staying much lighter. I weighed in at 179 last week. I will top out at about 190 in the colder weather. I try to ski pretty much during the year, even if it is just open water. I really hate winter! I found that going to the "Y" and working out is great, BUT, nothing replaces skiing. I am going to work on riding my jump skis more this year. The longer, harder pull is better for cardio and legs. Light is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 If you are not strong you can not do this sport! "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 If you are not strong you can not do this sport! "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 What MS said. You gotta be strong, but if you don't have good CORE strength (as opposed to simple brute strength) you're screwed. Lighter with good core strength trumps heavier/stronger every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 What MS said. You gotta be strong, but if you don't have good CORE strength (as opposed to simple brute strength) you're screwed. Lighter with good core strength trumps heavier/stronger every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lighter and stacked for the pull. I worked less this year but yielded more. Less equals more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lighter and stacked for the pull. I worked less this year but yielded more. Less equals more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klundell Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Waterskiing is all about strength to weight ratio. Strong and lean is the way to go. My focus for winter training is going to be more strength based but not the bulk up kind of strength training. I plan on using a combination of O-lifting (quick powerful movements that require strength, speed, balance, and agility... pretty much describes waterskiing) with heavy backsquats, frontsquats, overhead squats, and deadlifts. This is what will really develop the strong core. While mixing in some crossfit metcons to stay lean and in good cardio shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klundell Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Waterskiing is all about strength to weight ratio. Strong and lean is the way to go. My focus for winter training is going to be more strength based but not the bulk up kind of strength training. I plan on using a combination of O-lifting (quick powerful movements that require strength, speed, balance, and agility... pretty much describes waterskiing) with heavy backsquats, frontsquats, overhead squats, and deadlifts. This is what will really develop the strong core. While mixing in some crossfit metcons to stay lean and in good cardio shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted November 8, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lighter, more cardio, core, balance. Indoor rock climbing is amazingly affective for the core, balance and hand grip. I really don't like cardio activities. They last longer than 17 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted November 8, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lighter, more cardio, core, balance. Indoor rock climbing is amazingly affective for the core, balance and hand grip. I really don't like cardio activities. They last longer than 17 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lighter, I bulk up easy so I do reps of 30 of everything I do on my Bowflex and Free Weights. Being bulky strong seems like more of a hinderance. I will lift weights to maintain my build but my focus will be on getting leaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Lighter, I bulk up easy so I do reps of 30 of everything I do on my Bowflex and Free Weights. Being bulky strong seems like more of a hinderance. I will lift weights to maintain my build but my focus will be on getting leaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 be interesting to see a 350lb steroid/HGH infused mamoth on a 62" ski to really make ZO work...would have to use cable for a tow rope probably... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted November 8, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2011 be interesting to see a 350lb steroid/HGH infused mamoth on a 62" ski to really make ZO work...would have to use cable for a tow rope probably... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I am lighter and much stronger. Tons of core work on top of everything else. Had my best season by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I am lighter and much stronger. Tons of core work on top of everything else. Had my best season by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
454SS Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Both and they both start in the kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
454SS Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Both and they both start in the kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 jayski, at my heaviest/strongest I weighed about 220-225 lean, needed to put 275 into PP to get times from 28-35 off at 36 mph, and broke 6-10 ropes per season. Had no issue with core strength at that age. Didn't learn til M3 that strength doesn't win it at shortline (especially w/tougher speed controls). I ski better now that I'm more technical, lighter, and still pretty strong. I work core for longevity and reduction of low back issues. Power : weight ratio for better skiing, core for long term durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 jayski, at my heaviest/strongest I weighed about 220-225 lean, needed to put 275 into PP to get times from 28-35 off at 36 mph, and broke 6-10 ropes per season. Had no issue with core strength at that age. Didn't learn til M3 that strength doesn't win it at shortline (especially w/tougher speed controls). I ski better now that I'm more technical, lighter, and still pretty strong. I work core for longevity and reduction of low back issues. Power : weight ratio for better skiing, core for long term durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 For me I need to get lean but I am too heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 For me I need to get lean but I am too heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 and the winner is::::::Strength to weight ratio has to be high. Light and strong. max strength is not so important i.e. lifting heavy heavy heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 and the winner is::::::Strength to weight ratio has to be high. Light and strong. max strength is not so important i.e. lifting heavy heavy heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 Zero Off was the real game changer. Understanding how to make it work for you can replace what took a lot of muscle before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 Zero Off was the real game changer. Understanding how to make it work for you can replace what took a lot of muscle before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 I think what each of us wants to do depends on where we started. At 6ft tall, if I weighed 150 I'd get heavier in order to get stronger. However, strength and size have always been easy for me to build, and I typically weigh between 195 and 200 during the offseason when I am in the gym. Ski season I have found that lighter is better, so I try to cut down to 190 before skiing starts, then don't go to the gym at all during ski season. I averaged about 185 all ski season. I've now been back in the gym a handful of times and my weight is up to 193. Going to have to watch what I eat and drink! So, from where I start, I want lighter. For others, they may want stronger. All of us end up in the same place, which is the best power to weight ratio. Also agree with the comments on core above. More core has been the biggest difference maker for me in terms of lower back health and overall endurance. If your core is strong, you can ski a lot more passes without getting tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 I think what each of us wants to do depends on where we started. At 6ft tall, if I weighed 150 I'd get heavier in order to get stronger. However, strength and size have always been easy for me to build, and I typically weigh between 195 and 200 during the offseason when I am in the gym. Ski season I have found that lighter is better, so I try to cut down to 190 before skiing starts, then don't go to the gym at all during ski season. I averaged about 185 all ski season. I've now been back in the gym a handful of times and my weight is up to 193. Going to have to watch what I eat and drink! So, from where I start, I want lighter. For others, they may want stronger. All of us end up in the same place, which is the best power to weight ratio. Also agree with the comments on core above. More core has been the biggest difference maker for me in terms of lower back health and overall endurance. If your core is strong, you can ski a lot more passes without getting tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tsixam Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 I would rather be an http://www.koenigsegg.com/ than an http://www.cat.com/equipment/off-highway-trucks/off-highway-trucks Strength to weight ratio is important. Right now I am more like a but I will hit the gym next week. Tsixam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tsixam Posted November 9, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2011 I would rather be an http://www.koenigsegg.com/ than an http://www.cat.com/equipment/off-highway-trucks/off-highway-trucks Strength to weight ratio is important. Right now I am more like a but I will hit the gym next week. Tsixam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted November 9, 2011 Supporting Member Share Posted November 9, 2011 Offseason, I am more focused on STR. In season, I am more focused on weight. Btw, I am opposite of Razor in terms of my build: Gaining muscle mass is extremely difficult for me. At 6'2", the only way I can get above 175 is by gaining fat, and we all know THAT's not the plan! But he and I still end up with kind of a similar plan, because you need a little more food to build muscle. For me, this always comes with a little more fat, too, so then to get the str:weight ratio to be ideal, I sacrifice some of that mass in season. The amounts are a lot less for me, but the idea is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted November 9, 2011 Supporting Member Share Posted November 9, 2011 Offseason, I am more focused on STR. In season, I am more focused on weight. Btw, I am opposite of Razor in terms of my build: Gaining muscle mass is extremely difficult for me. At 6'2", the only way I can get above 175 is by gaining fat, and we all know THAT's not the plan! But he and I still end up with kind of a similar plan, because you need a little more food to build muscle. For me, this always comes with a little more fat, too, so then to get the str:weight ratio to be ideal, I sacrifice some of that mass in season. The amounts are a lot less for me, but the idea is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted November 29, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 29, 2011 I am 5'9'' 190 lbs, but I am pretty solid. I am built more like a wrestler than a water skier, but I usually drop 15 pounds during the season because of all the skiing, biking and rollerblading I do. I work out to tone, but I still put on some muscle mass. The last time I had my body fat tested the trainer said I was at the low end of the nominal range. She said if I went any lower she said I would be too low to be healthy. I don't lift very heavy, but as I get stronger I add reps to each set, and add more sets on each exercise as I get stronger. I do a ton of cardio. 1 hour a day 4 times a week, and I do weight training 3 days a week during the off season. I do my core strength training on the days I do weights, but I am phasing in doing it every day. The last month before I put the boat in the water I cut back to 1 or 2 days of weights and add more cardio. I also swim during the offseason when I have the chance. I had to change gyms so this winter I don't get to swim. I rest one day a week if needed, or I do a light workout cardio 1 day a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted November 29, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 29, 2011 I am trying CrossFit this off season. I'll report back in 3 months and tell you if it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 29, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 29, 2011 Old habits die hard as I'm back to moving heavy weight. Seems I need that challenge to keep me going over the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Steven_Haines Posted November 29, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 29, 2011 P90X and spinning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted November 30, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 30, 2011 One hour full body, fat burning cardio type workouts 3X a week plus a day of heavy lifting (what passes for heavy lifting for me anyway) with my son (certified personal trainer) per week. Completely different from what I've done in years previous but seems to be working. Also do a full stretch routine and 15 - 20 minutes of core almost every morning first thing. Probably the fittest and lightest I've been since my early 20's (6'2", 194, 56 yo). Not bad for an old f___. Spring can't get here soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller xrated Posted November 30, 2011 Baller Share Posted November 30, 2011 Not a ball chaser, but I have skied from a rail to as built as my body can get legally. And by far the best I have ever skied was this past summer after a winter of yoga...balance, core and flexibilty all rolled into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted December 2, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted December 2, 2011 @xrated - next season you should hit a tournament or three, the yoga also helps to calm any pre-tournament "jitters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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