Baller tfriess Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 Looking for a very nice used ski boat under 19K. Needs to be in like new condition. I prefer a Nautique or Mastercraft but thats just me. If you know of anyone who has aboat like this, please let me know. I am a serious buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 Go to Google. Use the following. Mastercraft 205 site:Craigslist.org Substitute in what ever you what look for. Also ski-it-again, boat trader , and inboards only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 CorrectCraftfan.com has lots of boats for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 I think you could find an early to mid 2000s Malibu Response LX in that price range and they are very nice boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 There are a couple beautiful TSC1 Ski Nautiques for sale right now in that price range. There is a black/tan beauty in Madison, a green/tan in Milwaukee, and another amazing green/tan in the Chicago area. Check madison.craigslist.org, milwaukee.craigslist.org, and chicago.craigslist.org to see them. Personally I feel there is no better ski boat for the money than a 97-01 Ski Nautique. As good as any modern boat, or better, in all 3 events. Visibility, driving, tracking, ergonomics are all as good as it gets and the wake is killer for slalom and trick at all lines and speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 10, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 @jhughes I am in the Milwaukee area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 @jhughes is right on. I just sold my '99 SN, loaded and mint condition, with 400 hrs for that. I pulled into 41 off with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 @jhughes, another vote '97-01 Nautique. One of the very best wakes, high quality boat, great ergonomics, quiet, tracks great, rope almost NEVER catches on the back as idling around skier even if a relative amateur at the wheel. Might check if has tune-able rudder...makes it easy to set up with just the right amount of counter steer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 10, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 10, 2012 The green and tan SN Masters Edition (1997-98,99 )was/is the best color combo to ever leave the factory.......ok I'm biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 the only problem with you guys getting me into a SN TSC1 is that I'm not sure I would ever be happy with another boat. Is it bad that I would rather drive and ski behind my boat than my partner's newer malibu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 @Wish, masters navy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 Here you go. Comes with a course too! http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/3187401542.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 Here is another one, but somebody went and ruined it! http://yubasutter.craigslist.org/boa/3062385389.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east tx skier Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Another vote for the TSC1. We will have ours for a long time. And, yes, it does tend to ruin you for other boats, even some that are two and three times the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 10, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 10, 2012 @AB green is better. To many similar looking blue and whites out there that were non Masters edition. Forest green was a first for SN and they stopped using it (fools), but kept blues reds...... Did say I was biased. @rodltg2 ......Wow!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 10, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 Do you know if PP is any good in the 2000 since it was the first year? Could I install Zero Off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 10, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 10, 2012 Get a 2002 196 with Excalibur engine. Simple ZO plug and play. Thager says that 2003-2007 are a bit tougher to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 10, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 @MS and 2003-2007 is out if budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 10, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 Did the 2002 have ZO stock @MS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 @tfriess I found my 2004 SN196 poverty pack edition with EX330, and stargazer in Ski it again for the upper limit of your budget. I purchased during your winter this year and shipped it all the way the Australia. Unfortunately the ZO upgrade for my 2004 its $4500USD just for parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 @tfreiss ZO didn't exist in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 10, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 @chef23 that's what I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted August 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 10, 2012 spend a bit more and get this. Ive skied this boat and it butter. http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=20445 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 11, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 @rodltg2 I wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 @tfriess the '00 PP set up is fine. You can upgrade to stargazer and or stargazer and z-box if you want. I'm still running the PP classic in my '00. My buddy has PP classic in his '97 and it runs good times as well. I bought my '00 in 2010 with 84 hrs on it for $17K even. There should be a number of 196's out there in your price range....maybe as new as '02. MS is saying above you can upgrade the '02 w/excaliber engine to Zero Off like Thager did (not the emulator...the real deal ZO). He mounted the module in his cupholder and it's really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 11, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 Wow @6balls seems like you got a killer deal on your SN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 @tfriess I was looking for $15K but came across the '00 with only 84 hours and had to inquire. It was consignment at a dealership and the owner was moving. Asking price was $19,800. Told them $17k was all I could do and didn't expect to get it....got lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 11, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 11, 2012 @tfriess There was an 02 with 290 hours in Minn for 20k but it is not listed anymore. I am sure you could find ond for under 20. The 02 has an easy zo conversion due to some central box that wires ran through. @Jody seal or Thager can fill you in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 11, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 @MS is that only for the 02 or are there others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 11, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 11, 2012 You need the 02 with the Excalibur engine. There were some early 02s that had the Apex so watch out. the 03s on up are more difficult to convert to ZO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted August 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 02 is the easiest convert because it was wire to accessary. No plug in box like later boats that need new box for conversion and therefore higher cost. Here is picture of how I mounted the module. 1st pic is before I installed all new Faria guages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skier2788 Posted August 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 I bought a 2002 196 with 740 hours fot 17k last year cant say enough good things about that boat. This winter it will get ZO. Two people on my lake have 04to malibus and they prefer my wake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted August 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 For slalom few are better than the 02! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted August 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 I will say this, I have a 04 Lxi, a buddy of mine has a TSC1 hull (99). When he invites me to ski with him I cant do it just because of that boat. Dont get me wrong, I love Nautique the 200 is my favorite boat. However I feel like that TSC1 hull is just too big, after I ski behind it, then my 04 diamond hull, I can ski 100x better behind my boat. The guy who owns that TSC1 swears up and down by that boat so I guess its just what you get used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted August 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 11, 2012 @llivetoski, '99 TSC1 hull is too big? Compared to an LXi? If that's true I must suffer from dimensional delusion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 @livetoski, what length/speed? I ski a 196 most frequently, a MC 197 some, both a Lxi and a LX mixed in there at times. In terms of wake, no comparison overall...give me a 196 all day long. With the right prop the 200 is even better...best of the best but with the wrong prop not so. I don't mind skiing any of them...splitting hairs but it's pretty clear. None of it is so dramatic as to affect my scores...but all of the TSC hulls are fantastic for me from 28-39. My ski buddy opens at 22 and it's even more important to him as much less bump there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JC McCavit Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 It's so nice to get behind my Green 97 Masters Edition Nautique after skiing the 2009 197 and the 200. I only ski into 35 off in tournaments and a few at 38 off in practice, but always start at 22 off. I train behind the newer boats to prepare for tournaments, but when I get my 97 off the lift I can't believe how backwards boats have gone when it comes to wakes. I run the Z-Box and ski identical buoy counts and feel no difference behind the boat. I did spend a great deal of time setting the Z-Box up and it is near perfect. The only problem I have when changing boats is reminding myself to prepare for the big wake & rooster behind the newer boats at the longer line lengths. I would say unless you are part of those fortunate and skilled enough to run into 39 in tournaments the ole 97 Nautique is the best boat for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 I'm not really sure what the difference is, but I had an '02 196 and my ski partner still has one and for driveability and skiing, '02's are hard to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 @LeonL Considering a 04-06 RLXI is 12 inches longer, 3 1/2 inches wider, 2 inches deeper and 300lbs heavier than a TSC hull, YOU are not the one who is dimensional delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I sold my 02 196 gt40 last fall for 17,500 lots of hrs but great boat. bought it in 03 for under 22,000. replaced it with 09 197 loaded w/zero off for close to the same. both came from ski schools with around 1000 hrs and no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 12, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 @JC McCavit, very interesting. Is there any difference with the '00. Or what years are the best from 97-02? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 12, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 12, 2012 '97 not a biased statement... I've just been told that over and over by life long SN owners including ski school owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 @tfriess, have yet to meet a bad one. Anyone know when they added the trunk? Might be an important point for your potential purpose. My '00 is a slalom tractor at a ski swamp with one partner. We have no need for a trunk and with the back seat out it's an easy step over to transom. If you are doubling as family boat or need the covered storage may want to go new enough to get the trunk. Also not sure when they went to the touchpad controls. I find those old breaker switches on the dash of my buddies '97 to be a pain and much prefer my touchpad. I guess in your shoes I would be looking '02 so could convert to ZO like @thager. I'm tempted to look for one myself to get the real deal speed control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jedgell Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 What is the cost difference to upgrade a 2002 w/excal vs a 2003 or later? Also, what is the est cost dor the upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JC McCavit Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 @tfriess - The big difference is in the weight of the boats. 1997 -2000 the Ski Nautiques specified weight was 2340 lbs. In 2001 the specified weight jumped to 2570 lbs. For me I would choose one between 97 - 2000. If you go to CorrectCraftFan.com under the their reference tab you can look at the brochures for each year of Nautique and see the weight specifications. In 2008 the 196 weight rose to 2610 lbs. If you can find 97-2000 with Perfect Pass StarGaszer you can upgrade to the Z-Box for less than $500.00 and you will have a Slalom boat that is difficult to find fault. One other item to look for is the tunable rudder. This was not stock in 1997 and you would want to upgrade if you want to easily adjust the way the boat tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogboy Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 We have the 02 s/n with the 330 ex cal. I didn't realize it was that easy for the real zo conversion. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 @bogboy. Wouldn't say it is easy but very doable. I worked with Tim White at Inboard Solutions LLC. With average mechanical ability just follow instructions and be patient. Get help when needed. Hardest part for me was figuring out where and how to mount the display so it looked good. Oh yeah, pulling the wires wasn't real fun either! Use lots of wire KY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted August 12, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 @JC McCavit what's the advantage of a tunable rudder and tracking? Sorry this is a dumb question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2012 @tfriess you can put some rudder pressure on it so it has a natural turning tendency one direction. It is far easier to drive in the course that way as there is no dead spot on center...completely removes any play while driving in the buoys. Most buoy heads without tune able rudders actually grind one side of the rudder for similar effect. On the tune able rudder it's a little tab on the trailing edge that you can adjust with two phillips screws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 12, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 12, 2012 The rudder has a small tab that can be adjusted. This puts pressure on one side of the rudder forcing it in one direction or another. The only way to keep the boat straight is to hold the wheel straight. You can feel the pull in the wheel. So the wheel is under load. Let go and the boat will veer left or right depending on where you set the tab. The load that you feel on the wheel is slight but there. This allows the driver to make finite adjustments to compensate for skier pulling the boat off a straight line. Without the load, the steering is not as responsive. Not actually play in the wheel but close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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