Baller gregy Posted September 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 5, 2012 There's been a lot of new member lately that are beginners. I suggested to @Horton that it would be nice to have a Must Read Article list section for beginners. Horton thought as I did it was a good idea but he didn't have time in the near future to do it. So this a chance for you Ballers to give back and help Horton out. This would be info for someone just getting into the course or even just learning how to slalom. What I'm looking for: 1) BOS thread links 2) Youtube video links are similar 3) Online articles 4) DVD's 5) Anything else that would benefit a beginner skier Leverage Position: A massive treatise for 15 offers - I start with the @than_bogan article. http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/5748/leverage-position-a-massive-treatise-for-15-offers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skier2788 Posted September 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 5, 2012 Then just keep watching all of terry winter videos. he has a lot like this on youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sunvalleylaw Posted September 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 5, 2012 Seems like this would be merged with, or linked within the FAQ section as well. If I have some time this week, I will see what I can add. I have been searching for a lot of this info this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted September 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 5, 2012 This might be a good resource for beginners and novice skiers as well. www.fifteenoff.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiJay Posted September 6, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2012 Film yourself. The closer you can get to looking like this while skiing, the better: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deke Posted September 6, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2012 Information on driving is real important. Here's three links. Hopefully they still work. http://www.proskicoach.com/waterski-instruction/boat-driving/driving-the-sweet-set/ http://www.proskicoach.com/waterski-instruction/boat-driving/slalom-driving-tips http://www.proskicoach.com/waterski-instruction/boat-driving/comprehensive-slalom-boat-driving In addition, info on driving public water would be helpful. Such as boat paths, cooperating with another boat in limited water, and how to approach and move around a course with the least amount of impact. Even how to not trash the entire lake when free skiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 6, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2012 @Deke as long as we are talking about driving on public water include this: THE SLALOM COURSE IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM FOR BOATS TO USE AS A CHALLANGE, WAKEBOARDS, JETSKIS, OR IDIOTS IN GENERAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted September 7, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 7, 2012 Also - check out Ben Favret's book on waterskiing (and wakeboarding). It covers a lot besides just your time on the water. http://www.amazon.com/Water-Skiing-Wakeboarding-Ben-Favret/dp/073608634X#_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gsm_peter Posted September 19, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 19, 2012 A beginners experience in this world of pros! (For what it is worth) Me I am 54 and started skiing 2 seasons ago (approx 80 sets, mainly in Sweden). Went on a 4 days full coaching in Italy last week. Have managed the cores 5 times at 26 mph. Running a Theory 67" with double Vector. This was what I learned in Italy. Position Position yourself a bit outside the wake in order to see the boat gate and the gate. Make a pull out early and outside of the buoyancy line. During the pull out keep your eyes on the gate. This will secure a better body position. (I always fails when I forget to look at the gate). Focus on the pull. Keep elbows tight to the body and feel the pull in the back arm (every turn!) This again will secure a better body position. After second wake start to turn, to shift edge. Skiing Shadow the boies. Turn on the inside the boies in order to get a good rhythm. This will help in getting correct amount of pull out and also to get an early edge change. Also there will be 6 turns each passage. Make your final pull out to the difficult side (more training here) Start to take the bois from the end (6, 6+5, 6+5+4) When this works add 1 (1+6, 1+5+6 etc) Summary A coach is worth every penny! I would most likely have learned faster on a Radar P6. Do not get stressed by the bois, Let it take some time. (Can I attach a film clip ~46 mb?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryTee Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 @gsm_peter Why do you think you would have learned faster on the P6 than the Theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted September 19, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 19, 2012 @gsm_peter When you say started skiing 2 seasons ago - from scratch no experience on waterskis? Or started skiing course? I would wager most instructional material for slalom skiing assumes that the skier can get up, and take a cut through the wakes ball to ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gsm_peter Posted September 19, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 19, 2012 MaryTee. Why do I think I would have learned faster on the P6 than the Theory? -The coach told me so =0) -The P6 is more forgiving and the to grasp feeling of a more correct position and timing would most likely have got me faster into the course. Maybe this is not true but I start to get the impression that some skiers seem to go for more advanced skis then they really need (it is for sure true for alpine skiers). Even the P6 is a great ski capable of short line skiing... BraceMaker. Yes you are right. I have been skiing some before. But only on big or old skis with small engines on open choppy water. Not many minutes per season and not every season either. So I count my skiing start to be with my Radar, using a real ski boat with an educated driver in a club. For example I did not got up more than 50% of the starts on the Radar in the beginning. (I do not know why but I have always started with both feet's in the binding even when using an RTP?!? Nowadays I seldom miss a start) I ski a lot alpine, I guess this maybe help a bit as well? Thanks for reading! I hope it will be of help for some body out there! Gd night /Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankS Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 i second the leveraged position article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted September 20, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted September 20, 2012 Lot of good stuff here. I didn't even think about the boat driving. Great idea @deke. I read those articles and learned a few things. Thanks to those that have contributed, lets keep this thread going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadSki Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Just when you think you are getting the "leveraged position", take video of yourself! trust me there is probably a lot of room for improvement even though it is starting to feel right. Get instruction from a pro/coach, and if one doesnt work for you try a different one. Sometimes all it takes is the same instructions but worded differently for it to click for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller estrom Posted September 20, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 20, 2012 lol - video can be very depressing!! "I look like THAT???!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller usaski1 Posted September 20, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 20, 2012 Yeah, video can be good, but it can be pretty sad too.. like everyone is telling you what to do, you can see it, you can see yourself doing it, and you cant change it. So frustrating. And why Ive been working at the same pass 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted June 20, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted June 20, 2013 I started this last year. See a lot of new folks on the forum that might be intersted. Feel free to add, questions etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popof Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I think this guy is and absolute MUST SEE for beginners ;) http://youtu.be/XbSl6kJhimc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KcSwerver Posted June 20, 2013 Baller Share Posted June 20, 2013 @deke I'm very interested in reading your articles that you posted but they require you to be a member at PSC (which I am not) and when I try to "log in at wet jacket" it takes me somewhere that obviously isn't affiliated with PSC at all. Any help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailorDave17 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 This a great resource! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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