wrecknprogress Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 My dealer just got his pricing. I bought new prostar from him in '09, so he knows I'm legitimate customer. For a new Prostar with a 6.2L, trailer, bimini, carpet, ski racks. $77,400 plus taxes. (I warned you).
Baller skibug Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 Is that retail or out the door after some negotiations?
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 If that's what he's quoting you for a sell price, then he's selling it to you at close to msrp with a quite healthy margin.
Baller skibug Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 what did you pay for your '09 in comparison
Baller A_B Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 I am liking my 2007 SN more and more...
wrecknprogress Posted September 19, 2013 Author Posted September 19, 2013 He said MSRP was in the 90's. I bought a PS214 with tower and 6.0L for just over 56k in '09.
wrecknprogress Posted September 19, 2013 Author Posted September 19, 2013 My 2013 Carbon Pro is looking awesome!
Baller Andre Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 Get me my Nitro...My heart just stop! Was it with optionnal bow seating and how much more for the 6.2... My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance!
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 Of course, a 6.2 is about a $9k upgrade.
Baller A_B Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 @ShaneH, that gets lost in the rounding...
wrecknprogress Posted September 19, 2013 Author Posted September 19, 2013 Shane, I am also "Joe blow nobody". I'm sure he is making money on me. But, still, that is what he quoted me.
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 What you'll find is that dealers price things all over the map. Some price with a 15-18% margin. Some price at 25% margins. Some price at full msrp. The difference between a dealer pricing at 18% and a dealer pricing at 25% starts to get big.
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 19, 2013 Baller_ Posted September 19, 2013 I think @Razor just pulled his 2005 197 off the market.
Baller BCM Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 Put me on the waiting list... ... to buy a used one in 2034, by that time I might be able to afford the 2014
Baller_ Wish Posted September 19, 2013 Baller_ Posted September 19, 2013 How hard will this be for clubs to replace boats. According to @wacknprogress in the last 3 years the price has climbed almost 20+K?
Baller Razorskier1 Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 @MS -- with a 20 year loan and (hopefully) a little better luck with negotiations I think I can do it! I wouldn't do the big engine anyway. I believe the two they have built right now are both 5.7s.
Baller schroed Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 Ouch. That seems really high. I was under the impression it was going to be in the mid to high 50s. Even with 9K for the 6.2 L, that still puts the price at 68K. That's 10K more than I expected.
Baller kfennell Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 LOL @ between the TXI and the nautique. What's that like $2k less then the nautique and 20k more then a TXI?
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 19, 2013 Baller_ Posted September 19, 2013 @Razor I think it will come in better then 70K.
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted September 19, 2013 Baller_ Posted September 19, 2013 Did I mention we can do re-powers and ZO for around that $10K mark?
Baller chris_logan Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 seems like 13% of Ballers had a clue in the poll a while back http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/8912/what-will-the-base-price-range-be-for-the-2014-mastercraft-prostar
Baller Waternut Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 Those Gekko boats just started looking better and better.
Baller SkiJay Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 The 6.2 isn't really necessary unless you're a serious jumper or live at high altitude. And if the CC200 is anything to go by, the smaller motor will have even a better slalom wake.
Baller ctsmith Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 $70K sans the 6.2. That makes me feel a lot better. Maybe I'll buy two.
Baller GregHind Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 The current two new prostars are both 6.2 engines and as I understand it the 6.2 is 200 pounds lighter than the 5.7 so should have a better low speed wake. I want a new prostar but that is a lot of money and doesn't even include all the options I'd get!
Baller Waternut Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 @OB The one time I skied up there about this time last year, I loved that boat. Don't you have it for sale on SIA though?
Baller Brewski Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 2014 SN200 is at $69K w/o options also...........
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 Honestly, I wouldn't assume the price is what was posted above based on one dealership. There is a vast difference. A nicely optioned '13 197 5.7 has an MSRP in the 80s, yet I know a dealership that will sell you that boat with trailer for less than $60k. And that's not even at a promo price.
Baller Skihack Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 Whether u like it or not tourney skiing will c a sharp decline if these boats keep pricing increasing unless folks can ski well behind them while practicing behind older boats.
Baller gregy Posted September 19, 2013 Baller Posted September 19, 2013 I'd get the 5.7 liter. All I'll ever need, better fuel consumption, and the most common engine on the planet. If I were looking to buy and as an ex MC promo owner. I'd be getting list of promo folks and trying to make a pre-order sale. Get them to order how you want it and work out a deal to buy it at the end of the season or find one that has ordered one with the options you want. The longer your in the program the better deal you get so find someone thats been in for years. Having a boat pre sold was a huge stress off my back and I was definitely willing to deal if someone would do this. I would ask for a non refundable to deposit.
Baller GregDavis Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 I will be selling a mint, like NEW, 2013 Nautique 200. I'm letting it go so cheap, I better not post price, as to not upset any dealers. call if interested. 407-617-3417 However boat will not be available until Sept. 2014. Red Medal Flake. closed bow. Tower bimini, waterline cover. low hours.
Baller_ DW Posted September 20, 2013 Baller_ Posted September 20, 2013 Hopefully several baller's will check with their local dealer, get a price and add to this thread so that a larger and more representative sample size will hone in or confirm the price of the boat since there seems to be debate over a sample size of one but the only real data point to date. @wreckinprogress: thanks for posting.
Baller_ Wish Posted September 20, 2013 Baller_ Posted September 20, 2013 Does the fact that the MC is cheaper then this one help with the sticker shock? And this one is old. But it has the removable front cover. Hmmm. Guess that wasnt a new idea. http://orlando.craigslist.org/bod/4041312089.html
wrecknprogress Posted September 20, 2013 Author Posted September 20, 2013 As I said earlier, I'm sure better deals can be had. I don't have the connections some of you do. I feel like the price I posted is what your average buyer, like myself, would be asked to pay. Even if I'm 10k off, by the time you add taxes and fees, it's a $75000 purchase.
Baller 6balls Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 Yikes. Most expensive boat I've bought to date is $17K for the 196. Most expensive vehicle $37K followed in second place by vehicle at $16K...all used and at less than 1/3rd new price. The big 3 are turning into the Mercedes/BMW/Audi of the automotive world. Terribly pricey new, but built exceptionally well and perform exceptionally well...they last and depreciate like stones. For some buyers new is key. For others waiting a few years results in picking up an exceptional ride at an incredibly reduced price vs. new but virtually no downside. Among the big 3's offerings in the used markets it is possible to pick up the latest/greatest hull under $40K. Each skier makes their own call here. I like bang for the buck, though have not had the bucks yet to get to ZO...hopefully in the next few years.
Baller MAD11 Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 If anyone wants a great boat here is one and much cheaper than the new MC price. Pulled a pending World Record and have been told by some of the best drivers in the world that this was not the best Malibu they have driven, but the best single boat they have ever driven. More bling than you can stand (even the white is pearl metallic) and drives so good you can cancel those marriage counseling appointments that were needed cause momma can't keep it in the center. I kept the pics big so you could clearly see @horton in the photo as a bonus. http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/marcaustin11/photo5.jpg http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/marcaustin11/photo.jpg
Baller Texas6 Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 That is a bada$$ Malibu. Throw in Regina and you have a deal
Baller_ Wish Posted September 20, 2013 Baller_ Posted September 20, 2013 @Horton looks so bummed after she told him to just walk away. I guess restaining oders do work. Go figure.
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 I'm pretty sure that the thought going through her mind was........ "I expected more from someone who's been skiing longer than I've been alive." Fwiw, @MAD11 isn't making it up. That is the best driving and skiing boat I've ever been in. I would rather drive and ski behind it than my own '14 CC200.
Baller Roger Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 @SkiJay - At what loops are you saying the 5.7 SN 200 has better wakes than the 6 liter boat? I have skied behind both quite a bit and I don't find any difference at all in the wakes (28 and in). The 6 liter boat feels smoother pull wise though (IMO).
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 20, 2013 Baller_ Posted September 20, 2013 I think the 6L has a softer 28 and then they are the same as you shorten it up.
Baller gregy Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 The title for this thread should read "Not for the Poor" instead of weak. Its going to be a few years until I can afford a newer boat.
Baller Razorskier1 Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 I have no first-hand information on pricing except that the goal was to be below the SN200.
Baller SkiJay Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 @Roger My experience is limited to -28 through -35, and I should have said the "roost" not the "wakes," because the wakes feel the same to me. But in FL, I have a 5.7 CC200 that I ski behind virtually daily (over 200 sets last winter alone). That's a lot of familiarity with its wakes. Whenever I ski behind my neighbor's 6L CC200, or Matt Rini's 6L, I'm surprised by the roost during my opening 28. I'm not surprised because it's smaller, it's noticeably more solid or fuller-feeling in some way. I'm not expecting it, so it surprises me every time. It's not "big" or "bad," just noticeably bulkier. In fact, I'd fully bought into the whole "the 6L is a better boat" sentiment and intended on making my next 200 a 6L, so I found this nuance a little disappointing. It's certainly not what I wanted to notice. In any case, it's not enough to stop me from getting a 6L if I got the right deal on one, but it is enough that I'd be perfectly happy with another 5.7 if that's the right deal too.
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Baller Texas6 Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 @Mad11 What's the price tag?
Baller tru-jack Posted September 20, 2013 Baller Posted September 20, 2013 $53.9 I recall. Still trying to convince my wife that it's a good idea. If I can, I have a dialed in mint 2007 fully loaded for sale setup by the Malibu promo director Dennis Kelly. Runs, drives and skis perfect and it's in Canada so no importing for fellow Canadians.
E_T Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 @wrecknprogress if you ever pay what a dealership "quotes" you on a new boat you have issues, they usually have a TON of wiggle room if you work them right. You should be able to get one at the same price as a 2013
wrecknprogress Posted September 21, 2013 Author Posted September 21, 2013 I have issues for sure. It's Friday night and I am surfing a water ski site. I should be looking at porn, it's cheaper!
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