Baller JAS Posted October 19, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2014 Wondering if ski designers look at spray patterns as they test new shapes and bottom textures. Considering conservation of energy, it has to go somewhere. My S2 seems to send a monster wall of water compared to Goode 9800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 19, 2014 Administrators Share Posted October 19, 2014 @JAS I think it is a fun esoteric conversation topic but I would bet a case of beer that ski designers do not use spray height as a metric Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted October 19, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2014 For a beer, I will! I certainly look at the spray to check things. Weird patterns indicate that some tuning is in order. Very weird spray might make me give up on a crappy ski. Or really go at it with the grinder. But a good ski can have big or tiny spray. I have found that the spray size is irrelevant to buoy count. I do adjust the speed on tricks to make the spray right. But that's totally different. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted October 20, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2014 Wait…what? I thought big spray was the goal of every instructional thread on this site. I'm so confused. Have we learned nothing from @Taelan28? I think the quote was "i likes the spray"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JAS Posted October 20, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted October 20, 2014 @Horton I'm sure you are right, ski design process seems a little like that of a surf board shaper with good dose of reverse engineering. Lots of trial and error. Was watching GS ski racing video with commentary about minimal snow spray in turns = least amount of speed loss. We are constantly hearing about carrying speed through water ski turn, got me thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller matthew Posted October 20, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2014 bring back @Taelan28 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Wayne Posted October 20, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2014 Ever since the first stepped bottom ski I always wondered if ski companies test their skis in any type of flow bench, similar to a wind tunnel for cars. I have long since forgotten much of my fluid dynamics classes but we did some lab experiments to look at the flow characteristics of different surfaces in pipes and open planes. It was interesting back then and makes me curious now that I have a practical application related to a hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller estrom Posted October 20, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2014 I thought chicks dig the big spray?? Seems like a good marketing concept...the "Chick Spray Coefficient." Ski X has a CSC of 8 on a scale of 1-10. No?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkfight Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 If someone made a ski that was designed to throw big spray, it would be my Parker Strip terrorism stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DefectiveDave Posted October 21, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 21, 2014 I would argue that big spray = efficiency because otherwise you're probably digging the back of your ski into the water like me. In which case you are creating a large cavity with the energy directed down course rather than anywhere useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 22, 2014 Administrators Share Posted October 22, 2014 spray is converting skier energy into water displacement. It means you are sliding. That is not always a bad thing but the guy with the biggest spray may not get the biggest score. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted October 22, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 22, 2014 The boat has 300+ hp. Efficiency (small spray?) is irrelevant given how much energy is available. Snow skis only have gravity so efficiency matters. Big spray adds stability. Tradeoffs make spray a minor factor in how good a waterski feels. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slow Posted October 22, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 22, 2014 Sprays are bigger when more of the ski is the water. That being said the old Mapples from 2001 put up a wall. Look at some old photos of Parrish in waterski mag. Maybe becouse it was the last is the tunnel design high end skis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted October 22, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 22, 2014 Spray is what drew me into the sport. Heck then a few years later the magazine named after it came out. http://www.waterskierslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/170-AWSKB81-SWS-Camille-cover.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted October 27, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 27, 2014 Big spray is rad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BWHITE Posted October 27, 2014 Baller Share Posted October 27, 2014 How about mapping the curve of the upper edge of the spray? Moving out-bound with tight line after the edge change results in a slowly rising curve and efficient front foot carved finish gives an even topped long radius top curve to the end of the spray. (Probably needs an efficiency curve map dependent upon line length.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JAS Posted June 6, 2015 Author Baller Share Posted June 6, 2015 @Horton can you ship that case of beer or do I need to pick it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 6, 2015 Administrators Share Posted June 6, 2015 @JAS a marketing spin and engineering are not the same thing Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted June 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 8, 2015 @Horton has improved his slalom scores so much that his spray has gotten smaller... Maybe we will need to change the web site URL, too... bitofspray.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted June 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 8, 2015 Or "weelittlespray.com" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Adam Caldwell Posted June 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 10, 2015 If the ski doesn't put up a massive wall of water then why would you want to ride it? No one looks cool going down the lake with shoulder height spray....Triple overhead at minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Adam Caldwell Posted June 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 10, 2015 and when did I end up with this profile image @Horton...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Looks like its "nosprayatall.com" right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted June 10, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted June 10, 2015 yea Buddy! Finally a thread about "BIG" SPRAY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boarditup Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Is there a ratio between hair and spray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegile Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If you are looking for big spray, try to find an old Torque Supercomp. You may not make many bouys, but nothing compares to the spray of that bad boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted June 10, 2015 Supporting Member Share Posted June 10, 2015 @adamhcaldwell @Horton The Brain icon is awesome! Probably the second best "evil" genius of all time, after (of course) Dr. Doofenshmirtz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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