Baller usaski1 Posted May 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted May 30, 2015 I have an 08 outback. its wakes are not bad, but they are not in the same class as any of the newer boats. Its not a bad boat at all.. but its not plush.. functional and utilitarian. Think of like your buying a chevy, and the Nautique would be the caddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted May 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2015 I have driven a Moomba Outback pulling a slalom skier. Slow and sluggish pull out. I would look for a used Nautique. An older used Nautique, Master Craft, or Malibu would be a better choice than a new Outback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted May 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2015 Doesn't make much sense since they are buying the same engines as everyone else. Maybe the one you used had a whipped engine or the wrong prop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Laz Posted May 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2015 @gt2003 I have a 2007 Moomba Outback now with 500 hours and I have nothing bad to say about it. It's too bad they don't make a DD anymore. We bought this boat because 8 years ago, we really weren't sure if skiing was going to be a passing phase or a serious commitment. The Outback allowed us get into the sport for less than half what a new Nautique or similar would have cost. Now, (as @Ed_Obermeier knows), skiing is serious business in my family. We now use our Outback much less because most of our skiing is done at our local club. However, we still trailer the boat to a cottage at least twice per summer set up our www.ez-slalom.com (thanks Ed) course. I can feel a bit of a difference at 22' off and it takes a fraction of a second to get up to speed, but that's it. My thoughts: - Any DD ski boat is an order of magnitude improvement over an I/O. - I would say that skiing in the course with an Outback is 90% as good as any other boat out there with respect to wake, tracking, starting, etc. The price in your original post is not that far from a brand new boat. Maybe there is room for negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted May 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2015 Agreement with @oldjeep. The ones I'm familiar with were not the least bit sluggish. Pullout, acceleration etc same as anything else I've driven, my own current RLXI included. The one I used to drive/ski all the time had the same engine as my previous Supra Legacy, the 330hp Indmar Assault. Definitely no sluggard. Moomba's seem to get a lot of IMO undeserved negative knocks, as do Gekko's to a lesser extent. Both are acceptable used ski tugs, especially if you're a beginner on a budget. Assuming you can find one at a decent price of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller usaski1 Posted May 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted May 31, 2015 I changed the prop fro the stock 13x13 to a 12x13... and that helped the holeshot a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted June 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2015 @gt2003, there are a lot of great used boats out there that will fit your needs and provide an open bow, most makers made a 'comp style open bow or play pin' during the 2000s, look around and if you can ski before you buy do it. You might be able to get something well under your budget as your 'entry inboard' and save some funds for new skis for you and GF. Besides SSLxi, Response OB, SNOB and MC197, there are open bow Centurions, MBs, Supras and as you have found Moombas. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller elr Posted June 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2015 If you, your family, or friends are going to be learning to ski the course (e.g. LL and 15 off @ less than 34 mph) a cross-over boat is not a good choice in my experience. Given that you need an OB I would recommend a slalom specific OB but not the MC 197 (its a great trick boat for a reason) if this is your situation. A 97+ Ski Nautique Open Bow or slalom specific Malibu OB would be on my list of boats to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 There's a decent number of Malibu LXI's out there. Most seem to be asking more than NADA value but I'm not sure if that's feasible with what I've heard about the soft market for competition boats right now. I've got time so I'm just going to take it as it comes. Now that I'm looking closer, I believe I can find what I want for around $25,000. Time will tell. Don't think I won't post it here first and ask what you all think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted June 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2015 @gt2003 - funny thing is that the market for some of the older boats isn't that soft ;) It is the market for the 1-2 year old stuff because folks are realizing that for 10-20K less they can get a boat that is just about as good. The LXI especially seem to be holding value, most of the local ones don't seem to stay on the market long. This one is pretty close to your price point - been for sale since at least last season. Has a z-box conversion on it http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/boa/4981370861.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 There is one in Texas for about the same price. We might go look at it after our "ski school" in 3 weeks. Dang, Minneapolis would be a 2 day trip each way. I'd like to find something closer but I'm not afraid to drive to get the right boat. I jumped into boat #1 too fast and although it's been a great boat, I had to fix up a lot of things to get it where I wanted it. I'd rather pay a little more up front to get something I can enjoy from day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted June 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2015 There are a few ballers near Minneapolis, including me, who may be able to lay eyes on that LXi for you. @MS or @6balls might already know that boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 It looks EXCEPTIONALLY CLEAN! No swim platform, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted June 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2015 Someone should know it - Center City location means it is probably on the private ski lake up there. As for the platform - I suspect it is just off in the pictures since the wedge is also down. People do that to fit in a small garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Looks like it's a 13 hour drive from me but that thing looks SHARP! You got it @oldjeep , swim platform is mentioned in the description, my bad Is the perfect pass with a zbox a good option, considering I'll ski the course but no tourneys (probably)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller foxriverat Posted June 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2015 Here is a few http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/boa/5038713287.html http://jackson.craigslist.org/boa/5014805069.html http://capecod.craigslist.org/boa/5009390211.html http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/5042467033.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Thanks @foxriverat , anyone know the Malibu in Mississippi? It's 600 miles closer and has 100 plus less hours. No tower but with the pylon and the wedge, don't care! http://jackson.craigslist.org/boa/5014805069.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller foxriverat Posted June 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2015 @gt2003 where you located? Found a few more. http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2005-Malibu-Response-LXi-102487918 http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2006-Malibu-Response-LXi-102527055 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted June 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2015 http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/boa/4981370861.html Minneapolis boat would appear to be Brad Bennett (given contact name is Brad and location is Center City). This would be a private lake boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 @6balls , 100% right! Any other info you know about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 @foxriverat , I'm in Oklahoma. That Texas boat looks really nice. I'll get a value on it and see what they will do. That one is PURDY and not too far away. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Should this be of any concern at all? I've never heard of these?? Precision Pro Speed Control and Electronic Throttle Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt2003 Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 @skibrain , I haven't even been in the course yet. I'm going to ski school in 3 weeks to start the course. I'm expecting once I experience a recent ski tug that I'm going to want to trade up to an inboard. However, since I do a lot of free skiing with friends, open bow is a must. I had just never heard of "precision pro" so I wanted to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted June 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2015 @gt2003 Brad is a hardcore ski nut and babies his equipment. PP with Zbox is a good option. Not ZO but dang close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted June 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2015 @gt2003 I don't know the boat specifically, but Brad is a good guy...I don't know him well but have interacted at tourneys over the years. @thager despite what @Horton says is trustworthy and knows how Brad cares for his stuff. My guess is you can't go wrong there granted you are willing to drive that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 2, 2015 Administrators Share Posted June 2, 2015 @6balls vouching for @thager hurts your credibility. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted June 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2015 @Horton What do you as a left coaster know about credibility? Swartzenegger and Cunningham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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