Scaramanga Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 What line lengths are you at with the whisper fin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted April 18, 2019 Administrators Share Posted April 18, 2019 Metric? I need a conversion table. I ran a bunch of Blue yesterday. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted April 18, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted April 18, 2019 I find myself curious what the point of this poll is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted April 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2019 @Than_Bogan I could see it being would the Whisper fin help longer line skiers as much as short line. The poll likely doesn't exactly answer that question but it moves in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted April 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2019 Probably also a bit premature if they dont even have the third batch shipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted April 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2019 Would be interesting if there was an option for the Denali CG fin also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted April 19, 2019 Administrators Share Posted April 19, 2019 @ozski different product / different conversation. I'm nowhere near ready to get into this in-depth but I would say totally different approaches and methodologies. Generally speaking, I think it's bad form to talk about competing products and thread about a specific product. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted April 19, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted April 19, 2019 @Horton From the perspective of someone running an industry web site, yes. But nearly every skier is planning to just have one fin on their ski, and will decide among traditional, CG, and Whisper. And most won't care about approaches, methodologies, or whether any of the theory behind either design is even right. They'll simply want to know which ones gets them more buoys. And if that is the same, then they'll want to know which is easiest to set up, easiest on the body, more consistent, etc. Personally, I think the traditional fin is at end-of-life. The CG is just better at everything. I don't know the first thing about the Whisper Fin, other than it seems well-received so far. So putting on my Nostradamus hat, it seems like in the relatively near future people will be deciding between CG and Whisper. This makes the comparison very important, even if it's not really possible for @Horton to offer that. That said, I still can't see how the results of this poll will provide any insight. What does the distribution of the population of people trying a fin tell me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted April 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2019 Will be interesting to see if and how the larger skiing population and the established ski design / manufacturers respond to the new fins, and if the new fin designs sustain the test of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Steven_Haines Posted April 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2019 I think that it’s a comparison that people will need to make on their own. I totally agree that the traditional fin is on its way out as I have the CG fin and think that it’s AMAZING! I’m glad that Jay and the Adam’s have blurred the lines of what we thought we knew! Thanks guys for your out of the box thinking and you’re desire to give us a better product and another option to get more buoys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted April 19, 2019 Administrators Share Posted April 19, 2019 @Than_Bogan the reason why it's not easy to give a simple answer is that the whisper fin requires a completely different set up methodology. Your ski setup is going to be far different with the whisper fin then it would be with long shallow or short deep. I'm still wrapping my head around the pros and cons of this new setup method. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted April 19, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted April 19, 2019 Hmmm. Shouldn't that be orthogonal to the fin design itself? Could it really be that a particular shape of fin requires a rethink of the approach to finding the best parameters for an individual? I would think that if there is a better setup approach, then it should be usable for any fin -- you just might have to start closer to optimal and use smaller increments for fins that have narrow performance zones (like traditional ones!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiJay Posted April 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2019 I welcome comparison. But this poll is a bit premature. The CG has been out for a year. The ceramic coating is barely dry on the few WhisperFins that have been delivered so far. Love the enthusiasm though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pgmoore Posted April 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2019 Shouldn't that be orthogonal to the fin design itself? @Than_Bogan really tremendous use of "orthogonal". Perfect in the circumstances! That is not a sentence you see every day and I appreciate it a ton! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted April 19, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted April 19, 2019 Yeah I can only imagine how much "my" high school jumpers make fun of my verbiage behind my back. I mean, seriously, who says "verbiage"? Half the time, I don't even realize I'm saying things that people don't understand until the blank looks get extra-blank :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 19, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 19, 2019 @Than_Bogan please stop using words that make me have to look stuff up. I stopped attempting to learn new things after college...except waterski stuff ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted April 19, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted April 19, 2019 @Wish As long as you can remember that the zero vector is orthogonal to all other vectors, including itself, then you'll be fine. And don't worry, it's obvious from the dot product. And I have plenty more helpful hints where that came from!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Steven_Haines Posted April 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 19, 2019 @Than_Bogan, I too appreciate the way you so eloquently used the word oth....WUT??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 19, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 19, 2019 Than....at least it's easy to spell. I think these fins will go the way of Reflex bindings...seen as the benchmark for high performance. Wonder if manufactures will sell blank slalom skis without a fin like the do with boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted April 19, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 19, 2019 @Than_Bogan ".....They'll simply want to know which ones gets them more buoys. ..." That is a common misconception that leaves a great many skiers disappointed. Whether its a fin, binding, or whole new ski, nothing is going to get anyone more buoys - unless of course their current setup is really hosed. The important thing to be looking for in any new widget or adjustment is consistency - from buoy to buoy, pass to pass and day to day. That is the dominant effect of everything below the ankles. If a new widget lets you tie your PB on the first set, but you miss your opener the next 3 days out, is that a good thing? What all of us really want is a setup that helps us get close to our PB almost every time out. Only then, can you really start to learn the technique changes needed to get an extra buoy or 2. The CG fin certainly did that for me and many others. My guess is that the Whisper fin will do it as well. As for a direct CG to Whisper comparison, I'll make a large wager it will come down to which works better for each individual skier. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted April 19, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 19, 2019 You can bet @MrGoode will have something soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted April 19, 2019 Administrators Share Posted April 19, 2019 I had to look up "orthogonal". Mmmm @Than_Bogan perhaps it should be orthogonal but MY experience with the whisper fin has been more of a journey down a different fin and binding setup than a simple swap of hardware. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted April 20, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DaveD Posted April 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 22, 2019 Is that a picture of @Horton when he had long hair? Maybe separated at birth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted April 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 22, 2019 18% @ -43. Impressive. Huge improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted April 22, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 22, 2019 Well, I haven’t tried the Whisper fin but I watched Nelly Ross from the boat during Open Women’s at Drew’s today and I have to say I can’t recall ever seeing a ski that is better set up. She’s on an Evo with a Whister Fin. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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