Tdub Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 What is the top speed for Men's 8? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 26, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted July 26, 2019 It just changed this ski year. It is now 32.3 mph (52 kph). The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 32.3mph. I believe that starts at mens 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdub Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 Did that just change from 30.4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 26, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted July 26, 2019 Yes. It changed after Nationals last year. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 I am targeting Men’s 9 right now. Unfortunately I need to wait about 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 You don't have to go all the way to max speed if you don't want. I'm holding at 32 for the time being, and started shortening (just 22off so far.) (I'm in mens 4, 34 mph max speed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdub Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 Thanks to all. At what age does max speed drop to 30.4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller escmanaze Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 @ScottScott So did that really happen? The whole ZBS thing is completely official now? At all levels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 26, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted July 26, 2019 @Tdub, it’s 30.4 at age 75. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 Until they up it to 32.3 like they did last year for M8. Mark my words it will happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JaredSmith Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 @escmanaze for several years now, you should go ski in a few tournaments and join the fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted July 26, 2019 Supporting Member Share Posted July 26, 2019 It seems to that every "old guy" I've talked to about it hated 30mph. So it may be that keeping it at 32 is what people prefer. I've never really been that sold on dropping speed with age anyhow. Slower speed just means we fail on a shorter line length. For example is 34/-38 really safer than 36/-35? I don't have any stats, but it doesn't feel that way to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 @Than_Bogan Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller escmanaze Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 Hmmmmm...Usually I feel like me and @Than_Bogan are long lost brothers always agreeing on everything. Well I finally found something to disagree with him on. I definitely think 34/-38 is "safer" than 36/-35. We have to define "safer" of course. This time I think I pretty much just mean that the injuries you will sustain when you mess up at those given speeds and lengths will have a magnitude roughly proportional to the speed you were travelling at right before the wreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted July 26, 2019 Supporting Member Share Posted July 26, 2019 Good to hear the other perspective. To me, speed along the water isn't a big deal. People fall off jet skis going silly fast and usually don't get hurt. Injury usually comes from being wildly out of position and interacting with the world in an unexpected way. It's true that going faster gives you less time to try to react to such a situation, but at least for me I run into out-of-control situations far more often at 34/-38 than I ever did at 36/-35. Maybe it's a style thing relating to your most common types of crashes? (Or maybe I'm just wrong. Shocking, I know.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 In that case everyone should ski at 36 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 26, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted July 26, 2019 @escmanaze, to be clear, you can ski at less than your divisional maximum speed and shorten the rope to receive the commensurate score for that rope length/speed combination. This applies to all tournaments. However, you can only ski above your maximum divisional speed in a class C tournament. That means you only get credit for the rope length/divisional maximum speed if you are above that speed at Regionals, Nationals or other E, L, R tournament. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 Men 8 is 70-74 ? IMHO, 32 mph is a bit fast for a 74 years old guy... My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 Correct @Andre. One of the top M8 skiers polled all of the M8 skiers and only 1 desired to ski at 32.3mph. However the AWSA chose to up the speed to 32.3. That is exactly the moment that I came to understand why so many skiers have stopped skiing tournaments. The rule was allegedly changed to bring AWSA in line with IWWF rules. No offense to any IWWF skiers but I never joined their organization. I'm beyond upset about this ruling. In 2 years I'll be in M9 and I have no doubt by then that they'll be skiing at 32.3 mph in M9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted July 26, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted July 26, 2019 This could all be solved by allowing the skier to exceed their divisional max, if they choose, at any and all tournaments with the commensurate score awarded for the rope length/speed combination. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 If they were trying to be in line with the IWWF they wouldn't allow to shorten before max speed. If you shorten before max, you don't get IWWF credit for any shortening before max speed...... I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted July 26, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2019 Why such a simple sport is so complicated... My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Killer Posted July 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2019 In Canada you can age down a divisiona skier with the younger group. Makes total sense. If this was the case in the US as a M8 skier who wanted to ski at 32 you just ski with M7 skiers. If you want to ski in your age division at 30, no problem. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted July 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2019 @dvskier, nobody polled me and I'm M8. Granted I'm not near the top of the heap, but I'm level 8. I hated 30. Still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted July 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2019 @LeonL He polled the top 20 M8 skiers in ski year 2017. PM me and I can provide additional information. Ski as fast as you wish, I didn't start skiing tournaments until I was 70 so 32.3 seems fast to me. Obviously others agree as the numbers of M8 seem to be dropping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted July 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2019 I went from 34. to 32.3 last year and up a ski size. 58 years old, much easier on the body, more fun, fewer crashes, and pretty much the same buoys minus 6 for the lower speed. Not worried about winning championships. Thank you ZBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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