New RADAR???

[LOTW]

8/1/21, where is it?

[jtompkins120]

https://radarskis.com/2022vapor

[LOTW]

Yes, apparently the day starts a little later for them and not 12:01. It sounds really good from the video, totally new ski not just minor changes. My wallet is vibrating!

[KRoundy]

How does the team at Radar make me want a new ski every year?

[Mastercrafter]

@KRoundy i know, right?

 

Maybe my ski is getting worn out? No.

 

Maybe this will help my skiing? No.

 

Maybe this is the solution to my problems? Still no.

 

I’ll stick with my current ski. But I do want.

 

 

[Mateo_Vargas]

Hmm, black or white?

[lpskier]

Interesting. The Radar “Right Ski For You” chart doesn’t recommend the Vapor Pro for 32 mph. I go to M7 after Nationals and (at least in theory) have to drop to 32. I’m on a 2020 Vapor Pro now that I love, but it got damaged and I’d consider replacing it with another, newer model. The chart isn’t reassuring.

 

According to the hype, it’s a totally new ski. That’s pretty exciting.

 

Also, there’s two Vapor Pros offered: a silver one and a black one. Same ski, different colors?

[UWSkier]

This dropped last night. I watched the videos before bed. Maybe 12:01 EDT @LOTW

 

Looking forward to trying this shape in the senate when it gets here! Love the white BTW.

 

 

[BraceMaker]

what ever happened to the plastic tail bit?

[Mastercrafter]

@BraceMaker it mentions “Enduro Tip / Tail” — was that the plastic bit?

[jjackkrash]

@LPskier, I think the Senate is a great ski, but I also don't think you need to dump the vapor at 32 mph if you don't want to. Last night my boy cruised through 24.9, 26.7, 28.6, 30.4, and 32.3 (all 22 off) on his Vapor Pro Build before going 34 mph (he is in the middle of the size chart for his weight/ski size) and nothing about the way he ran the passes suggested he needed a wider ski. His cousins start at 23 mph on their Vapors and run into 30 mph/22off. I also talked to Brooks Wilson about Vapors for slower speeds and he did not think running a Vapor would hold you back as long as you were not on the small size of the ski for your weight based on the size chart.

[brooks]

@lpskier it's definitely hard to make a chart that spits out the exact perfect ski for everyone giving a multitude of factors but I wouldn't shy at all from putting you on a Vapor at 32MPH. Both ProBuilds are the exact same ski with just two different color options.

 

@BraceMaker we are still utilizing the new tail construction as well as base material.

 

Vapor can definitely still rip at a multitude of speeds depending on circumstance, if you ever have any questions feel free to reach out!

[dnewton]

@brooks do you guys have a demo program? Thanks

[brooks]

@dnewton we don’t have a factory demo program, all demos are done through our dealer network.

[tjm]

@brooks I see one set of fin settings, rather than a long shallow and a short deep. Does this new shape require a narrower range of settings??

[brooks]

@tjm during the testing process we try everything and so far numbers in that range have proven to be the most successful. As more time continues those numbers could certainly be updated but at this time we are recommending that’s where people start.

[tjm]

Thank you @brooks.

[Horton]

I was personally victim to @brooks testing every possible fin setting. I was lucky enough to have had 2 rides on the new ski this spring. The stock settings are very good. I think this ski is going to be super successful.

 

I suspect the other settings Brooks had me try was a prank.

[ejj]

Are the 2022 Senate models changing to the new Vapor shape as well—just a bit wider?

[Downunder]

@brooks tend to agree about the speeds, my 11 year old went from a TRA to a 2019 Vapor, he rips it from 26 to 32 Mph..... .

[mikegile]

Got to try a new one at a tournament this weekend. Felt amazing! I actually asked the driver if he was going 32 rather than 34 after the first pass. Proceeded to tie my PB in the second round.

[aupatking]

@brooks @art90notch is needing a 67 Pro Build to demo. He just doesn’t know it. You can just send it to me. I’ll see that it gets on the right feet

[Sivota]

@brooks I am sure you are run off your feet, but a sizing question it you can spare a moment. Weight 76kgs, starting speed 30MPH into 34MPH. Looking for a little more stability. Should I be on a 67 or a 66? [or on a Senate?]

[UWSkier]

Infinite sweet spot sounds exactly like what I need. Can't wait to try it!

[Zman]

@aupatking Make that a 66 inch, and bring it up north to Citronelle. ?

[OKSkier]

Does anyone know anything regarding the 2022 Senate and shape? Usually the Senate gets a change a year later.

[C5Quest]

PM brooks

 

[UWSkier]

Three guys ran 3@41 at Herb's Cup yesterday. I know for sure at least 1 of them were on the new whip. :)

[Horton]

@UWSkier I strongly suspect the whole Radar team has been on the 2022 for a month or two.

[C5Quest]

Hope my 2022 gets here soon. Rough year and 2021 is trashed ?

[brooks]

Excited to say that the 2022 Senate Range will get the Vapor shape updates for 2022!

[dbutcher]

@brooks, please, forgive my ignorance, but is the Senate Range a new model Senate for 2022? Or do you mean that the range of Senate models will have the new Vapor shape in 2022? Whatever the case, I want one.

[Broussard]

@dbutcher For years the Senate has been been based on the Vapor shape, just two tenths of an inch wider which is accomplished by adding a rail on either edge of the ski to help create lift.

 

In years gone by sometimes the Senate has sometimes "lagged" a year behind Vapor updates.

 

The 2022 Senate range will be based on the new 2022 Vapor shape.

[Horton]

I was talking to one of the factory team guys today who said the new Senate is spectacular

[jjackkrash]

I am about to go postal on fed ex. Two days in a row on the wrong truck.

[igkya]

We need more details/pics of the Senates

[kld11053]

Will the Lyric also be based on the new 2022 Vapor shape?

[Horton]

@kld11053 presumably yes

[Broussard]

@kld11053 Yes, the 2022 Lyric is also based on the 2022 Vapor.

 

@igkya The rest of the RADAR line should be revealed later this month - some exciting new stuff to come.

[jjackkrash]

@brooks, are you still recommending long and shallow? I heard maybe short and deep for these new Vapors.

[jjackkrash]

Binding and fin numbers for a 66" please.

[jjackkrash]

Got numbers; thanks!

[jjackkrash]

Set up and ready to rock.

 

 

[UWSkier]

Looks good @jjackkrash! Looking forward to a report. Buddy got his new Senate today too and will be hitting the course tomorrow also. :)

[jjackkrash]

We skied today, but there were a lot of adverse variables, like wind blowing sideways and rain, but the Boy really liked this ski. It carries crazy speed out of the ball. I think it is gonna be a winner.

[ALPJr]

So will this thread surpass the 2016 Vapor thread?

[C5Quest]

@jjackkrash whats fin settings did you use? My 66 is on the way. Same as posted on Radar site? Only see one set of numbers posted. Also see brooks said only one set out as that what worked best.

[jjackkrash]

@c5Quest: 29.25 / 6.860 2.480 .755 / 9 degree wing. It looks like these are the website numbers.

[BraceMaker]

how about word on the new boot?

[Broussard]

@BraceMaker The new Vapor boot is a total game changer. If it skis half as good as it looks it will take the industry by storm.