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I'm sure someone will run with this as "Best fin system ever"! Unless O'Brien jumps back into the actual Competition ski market is nothing but B.S. No longer a need for Mach 3+ and leaky hydraulics parts.....

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Some led lights will turn it on! They had all kinds of cool ideas.  Remember Connelly had a 3 fin deal when the Concept came out? Wasn't it O'brien that had that fin with a feeler gauge setup on it? One way it would open to release fin psi and the other way it would close up? (Not Mike Suyderhoud's  jack knife setup) Man when I was young I wanted one of those pointy tip wooden Obriens so bad.

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O'Brien has not made tournament skis in 10 years or so. It was sad to see them go but is what it is.

I am going to go out on a limb and say "Titanium" is only a product name.  That fin system is a boondoggle. 

 

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I wonder what brand skis the Fin Block will match the inserts on the ski.  I found they aren't all the same.

My history is ancient so the wood Mach1 was the best if had as of the 70's.  Like all skis at the time it mostly turned one way and not the other.  LeRoy Burnett set the world record on a Mach1 so I got one.  It was good choice for a few years.  

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@The_MS My tournament PB was on the Elite for a while. It was not that bad but looking back I am not sure it was that great. I think it was just hard to ride but was good if you were technical. 

 

@swbca those fin blocks will fit any of your wood skis

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Have to remember that every single Elite that was ever built was handmade by @AdamCord

Whatever might be wrong with that ski it's clearly Adam's fault.

On the other hand Andy was responsible for the Sixam at O'Brien. Clearly one of the best  skis ever built. Fact that Adam was not involved does not mean anything.🤷‍♂️

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That O'Brien fin block is almost a dead ringer for  a fin block Paul Jager was selling a few years back. I just don't have a picture of it. I think it was a CNC  plastic deal.   What is that all about with the biggest name in skis for year just sitting by the wayside.  I guess the money is all in wakeboards.  Bob Reich use to be really involved with them. Remember the adjustable flex and sidecut forebody  with piezo lights? If that don't turn on chicks nothing will!

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3 hours ago, EFW said:

That O'Brien fin block is almost a dead ringer for  a fin block Paul Jager was selling a few years back. I just don't have a picture of it. I think it was a CNC  plastic deal.   What is that all about with the biggest name in skis for year just sitting by the wayside.  I guess the money is all in wakeboards.  Bob Reich use to be really involved with them. Remember the adjustable flex and sidecut forebody  with piezo lights? If that don't turn on chicks nothing will!

its not in wakeboards, its in vest / inflatable's that they sell to bass pro shop lol

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21 hours ago, Horton said:

Have to remember that every single Elite that was ever built was handmade by @AdamCord

Whatever might be wrong with that ski it's clearly Adam's fault.

On the other hand Andy was responsible for the Sixam at O'Brien. Clearly one of the best  skis ever built. Fact that Adam was not involved does not mean anything.🤷‍♂️

And now O'Brien has taken the Sixam 2 molds and created the new Siege line of skis for "intermediate to advanced skiers"    

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2 minutes ago, RAWSki said:

And now O'Brien has taken the Sixam 2 molds and created the new Siege line of skis for "intermediate to advanced skiers"    

They were good, but are they still considered good when compared to a ski designed more recently? I know couple of people wanting to buy their first slalom ski, competent lake free skiers and almost skiing course. I've been safe and told them buy a Senate or Omni. Is the Siege a viable option? It's quite a lot cheaper  

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4 hours ago, Horton said:

@03RLXi I would assume the current O'Brien don't suck at that level but I would push you towards the Radar.

@Horton I agree with you and I've been steering them towards buying more recent Senate and Omni, however they do ask why not these other 'new' lower cost skis 

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@03RLXi 

yeah those O'Brien's are going to be made in Asia by a crew that is not performance oriented at all. We can assume we know what molds they are, but Lord knows what the materials are. Those skis might be fine and they might be absolute garbage.

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I think next time it comes up I'll remind them that apart from a few exceptions a 1980s designed car newly built today, possibly with inferior materials and skills, even if it was a classic, won't perform as well as a 2020s designed car.

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It is worse than you are thinking.  A lifetime ago when I was doing ski reviews for WaterSkiMag I once did a mid-level ski review. There were a handful of skis that were just too crappy to be included in the review mostly from O'Brien. It was clear that O'Brien was especially guilty of shipping old molds to a factory in China and making skis with the cheapest materials and without caring how they performed.

Radar, HO, Connelly, and KD all make really good price-point mid-range skis. 

FYI- I am not anti-O'Brien. It is a historic brand that I wish someone would rehabilitate. Herb was one of the real OGs in water skiing and O'Brien was his original baby. 

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Hi, I’m new to this site and am looking to improve my open water slalom skills. I’m also very frugal. Yesterday I picked up a 69” Elite for 150$. It was only used once over a decade ago.
 

I read an old post on this site titled ‘Horton's O'Brien Elite Review’  

It was a great review and indicated that it was a great ski; but some if the comments I read in this current thread sound like it was not the GOAT and that it might even be dangerous. 

I’ve recently got back into skiing after more than a decade and before that I skied 2-3 times a year since I was 16.

I’m now 54 yo, 6ft, 165lbs. I cannot find any information on boot and fin settings on the Obrien site and was wondering if I could get some advice for this ski. 

My front boot is an HO xMax and my rear is a Radar Vector.

The guy I bought it all from suggested to start with the screws in the center and adjust from there depending if my tip is too low on the water or if I’m sinking in the back. I tried this and the front boot is at 30”. Which is an appropriate distance for a 69” HO ski for my weight. I couldn’t get my toe from my rear boot within a finger-width of the front boot. The rear binding is as far forward as I can get it. The Neoprene is right up against the front boot. I have not touched the fin and don’t yet have a calliper. 

Can you help me find information for setting up and adjusting this ski? Or provide some?

I don’t know any terminology yet so could I get pointed in the right direction of the definition of slaloming terms?

Will I hurt myself with this ski  

Can you recommend a good boat speed for this ski?

Up to now, I’ve been using all sorts of wood and fibreglass skis from the 70’s and 80’s.

Apologies for the lengthy post and if this is in the wrong forum. Let me know if you need any more information. 
Thanks!

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@Philibuster welcome to BOS.  I'm pretty sure you'll get some technical advice here but let's start with the premise that you are starting out again after a 10 year lay-off and prior to that you skied 2-3 times annually.   So....don't overthink and complicate things.  Water time is what you need more than micro adjustments.   Ski at a speed that feels comfortable to you, probably 30-34 m.p.h.  It can be ideal to have the back foot touching the front boot, but if you're close and you feel balanced, you're OK.  That ski will probably be seeking to be on edge, so ride it back and forth through the wakes and make gradual turns until your confidence builds, then start making tighter turns and quicker cuts.  If you get hooked, demo some modern skis.  A good, used intermediate ski won't break the bank.  You can find a variety of used skis on SkiItAgain.com.  Good luck!

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A couple of people I know ski on the O'Brien, this includes Glen Campbell previous Pro Skier, all look very good on it and they all like it, ski anywhere between 12m and 10.75m

Cheap compared to leading Brands.

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@Philibuster I think while you're asking a lot of good questions at 165lbs a 69" ski is going to be just so big that some of the finer details are maybe not so critical.  I'd just go ahead your front boot is within probably 1/2" or less of where it should be, make sure the fin isn't loose and then just start cautious and make sure it doesn't do anything startling.

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The Elite was an attempt to be a super bleeding edge ski. At the time a lot of us embraced it but the gear choices today are so much better. I wouldn't recommend anybody ski on that ski if they had access to almost any ski from the last 5 years.

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Thank you all for the quick and helpful replies and the friendly welcome. I’ll let you know how it goes with it. I found it so tough to decide on a ski from ski-it-again with all the selection. I couldn’t pass up on a carbon ski for 150$. It is so incredibly light.
I will keep the 5-year age range in mind for future purchases. My wife already wasn’t happy I bought a Response last fall, probably shouldn’t buy more than 1 ski a year. 

I’ll try moving the boot forward a 1/2 inch to start with and indeed move cautiously on the water.

I started listening to the Spraymakers podcasts and have a goal for this summer. To pivot from one edge to the other at the centre of the wake. 

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@Philibuster the settings on the link posted by @foxriverat are a good starting point. If you're new to setting up skis you'll want to get some cheap 8" dial calipers and some wing angle gauges and learn how to use them. The only variation from those settings that I'd recommend is to start with no wing or wing at 6 until you get up to 32mph or higher.

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