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Great explanation of a difficult concept. This is something I feel like I have to get better at in order to take my skiing to the next level.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10100867875847120&set=vb.47904140&type=2&theater Will Asher Deadlifts... Just sayin'

Are you saying you can't feel touch sensation on the skin over the deltoid? If so I would make sure you tell your Dr. that immediately. Most likely the axillary nerve just got damaged a little during the dislocation but it could have gotten impinged in the relocation process of the humeral head. Just make sure your Dr. knows about that symptom.

I dislocated a shoulder waterskiing. I was skiing again 8 weeks later but it was much longer before I was comfortable with my arm over my head. Thanks to a good PT and some recent crossfit it is really strong now and has never dislocated again.

@chrisrossi Thanks for all the feedback. I've been told that I'm too narrow to the gate before but no one has ever talked about not getting stacked early enough. Thinking about that concept could really help me get wider and faster for the setup which would allow me to take advantage of the acceleration zone and be able to transition at the center. This will be key for me getting through 39. Once I get the dust off the ski from this long UT winter I'll measure using tips like you do and get back to you on setup details. Thanks again.

Our ice is melting here in UT. But our club runs off of irrigation water so we don't our lake doesn't fill up until the first week of May. Long winter for this guy. The only thing I can do is try to get stronger.

http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=25200 Our boat is in excellent condition and has been well taken care of.

@34mph‌ I'm a Doctor of Chiropractic. I have also been avidly studying movement physiology for the last 4 years and I regularly train people at a local crossfit gym. I'm not looking to pick a fight either I just want to defend my position. And again I have to disagree with this statement, "You should not have to practice functional things like squat down to perform them." Having watched hundreds of people squat I can say that the majority of them cannot squat below parallel with a neutral spinal position nor can they deadlift even light weights with a neutral spinal position. Practicing these movements in a controlled environment is very important, after all we don't want grandma to hurt herself deadlifting the kitty litter. As for loading the lumbar disc. There is nothing wrong with loading a lumbar disc in a neutral spinal position. They are designed to take extremely heavy loads. In fact discs are stronger then the vertebrae they separate. An extreme compression force will cause the disc to puncture through the bone before the disc itself will rupture, this is called a Schmorl's node. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roe-schmorl.jpg. Sheering force is a different story and that is why squats and deadlifts can be dangerous if done incorrectly. So get a trainer that knows what they are doing and have them teach you functional lifts. I believe this is one of the most important things I've done for my skiing. @34mph what is your background?

@34mph I could not disagree more. "Unless you are strong... you really should not be doing large movement exercises like dead lifts." How is grandma supposed to pick up a bag of kitty litter without doing a deadlift? Large movements when done with the correct form will inevitably fire the muscles from core to extremity building them to do exactly what they are designed to do and that is stabilize. Granted if you are a total couch potato and you try a max deadlift you are likely to get hurt but this is precisely because your stabilizers are not strong enough to hold a neutral spine. Does this mean you should do more back extensions and sit ups until you can do a max deadlift? No amount of situps or back extensions will prepare you to do a max deadlift or prepare you to take the kind of loads from the boat that are required to run shortline slalom. So what should you do? Stay within a weight range where you can maintain a neutral spine and pelvis so that you can build the stabilizers so that you can increase the weight safely.

You should feel sore in your butt, adductors, hams, and quads. Again these are all core muscles because they connect to the pelvis. Your trunk muscles won't feel sore because they are not the prime movers in a squat, they are the stabilizers. Trunk muscles (particularly the deep ones) are stabilizers in most of life's movements not necessarily prime movers, this is definitely true on the ski. Waterskiing is a great core exercise yet your trunk isn't sore from doing it. I'm not saying never do another sit up or back extension. I just think they should be accessory work to your main bigger movements (squat, deadlift, standing press, clean) that will use the core for what it is designed to do... stabilize the spine/pelvis.

Thanks Chris. This was great, I love the three keys.

Core Strength = The ability to maintain neutral spinal/pelvic position under load and through dynamic ranges of motion. This is why "core strength" is so vital to waterskiing, we take tremendous loads from the boat and have to dynamically transmit that load through the ski using various ranges of motion. If you cannot maintain a neutral spinal/pelvic position then you will lose force or, worse, get hurt trying to produce force form a bad position. Glutes, hamstrings, and quads (to a lesser extent) are all vital parts to core strength because they all support and stabilize the pelvis. If you are going to move a load in a squat that is 80-100% of your max the most important thing you have to do is maintain a neutral spinal position so that you can transmit the force to the prime movers efficiently. This requires a tremendous amount of activation from your core (erectors, abdominals, psoas, quadratus, as well as the deeper spinal supporters like multifidi and rotators). Thus squats are probably the best "core exercise" you can do because it uses the core in the way it will be used in life... to support and stabilize the spine/pelvis through a dynamic range of motion and under load. Deadlifts and olympic lifting are very good for this too.

1) Kipping Pull-ups - The ballistic style of the pullups will really help with the bicep soreness that accompanies those first few sets. 2) Heavy Hang Cleans - the returning of the weight from the front rack to the hang position will do a number on those traps. Plus this is just a great movement for waterskiers. Dynamic Pulling movement. 3) Squats - Just because you should always be squatting. Best core exercise there is.

You can do things beside slalom?

Hey Chris, While trying to improve my Olympic Weightlifting in the off season I've learned a ton from watching professional critique video's of other lifters. I'm able to understand problems and concepts that apply to my own lifting as I see and hear the critique of other lifters. Here is an example (all of this is done on a simple, cheap, smart phone or tablet app called coaches eye). So I'm going to ask my question through a video of my skiing and see if you would want to critique it either through the coaches eye app or just by writing something. This would obviously be helpful to me but as I described earlier I think it would also be very helpful to everybody on the forum. I'm talking in this video and I ask my question there...

I'm kind of afraid to say this but I 100% agree with assessment of @horton on this one.

eyes closed makes sense to improve feel and balance but that isn't the same thing as one eye at all. And I'm sure as heck not closing both of them in the slalom course.

Tons of respect for what Jeff Rogers can do on a waterski but skiing with one eye??? I'd like to hear his theory of how that's going to make me better because to be honest it just sounds silly.

I would be the perfect experiment for Andy because I am a notorious buoy chaser in my training I almost never run all six buoys without shortening the rope directly after and I never go backwards. I've always wondered if a more a programmed approach to my training would improve my skiing but I've never had the discipline to slow down. I'm fully dedicated this winter but only in the Gym due to Utah winter but I'd love to have the chance to have Andy's service in may.

@toddf the cleans for this event were 185. The elite guys had to do 255! They were in a different division.

@mattp I would love some coaching on the erg! How about we do a coaches eye swap. Send me a video of your skiing I'll send you a video of me on the erg and we can analyze them and send them back.

@mattp I did the 500m in 1:39 (went pretty conservative because it was worth a lot less then the 5000m). I did the 5000 m in 20:08 they used the weight adjusted calculator so my time was pretty competitive. 15th out of 65.

@mattp one of the events at the competition was a 500m row (one event) followed directly by a 5000m row (another event) on a concept 2. It sucked and was awesome all at the same time. I'm sure you would destroy me on one of those.

What are you doing to fill the competitive void that waterskiing winter brings? I did my first CrossFit competition this weekend and had a blast doing it. This is a video from one of the final events. 3 Cleans followed by 3 Muscle Ups 3rounds for time.

I think he is talking about trying to get the ski wide of the buoy line too early. Instead of riding the natural line of the handle with your line of site inside the buoy until extending at the apex of the arc and just slipping the ski outside the buoy line. I know when I finally started trusting a narrower (inside the buoy line) preturn I started running a lot more 38's.