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Ha ha!! I wish!! Then I might be able to get excited about going there again.

I have a 97 SNOB and I can attest to the very small wakes at conditions you mention. I run 30-32 mph most often at 15 off and the wakes are terrific. I actually got a boat with the "5.7 pro-ski" engine in it. It is fuel injected, but it is throttle body fuel injection instead of multi-port fuel injection. For this reason, it has less power than the GT-40, but I feel like I got it discounted for that reason, and even at elevation here in Utah, I never really even think about it having "less" power as it still gets me up and out of the water as fast as, if not faster than, any other boat I've ever skied. For 15-20k you shouldn't have any problem finding one in great condition. Good luck, report back.

Man what a perfect boat. I only wish I was in a position to take advantage.

Oh, look at that, you are right again. Yup, that 177 lot is at Buchli, not at Santan. Ok, well that explains it. Thanks much.

Oh interesting, that would make a lot of sense as to why it is so affordable. The ad, however, at that point is quite deceiving as it sure does to infer that it would be a full privilege lakeside lot. Interesting. Thanks much for the info.

Oh, wow, those are some interesting rules indeed. That's too bad because the prices were looking awfully affordable. Now I see why. What about that lot on Santan for 177? What's the catch on that one? Seems too good to be true. Thanks again for the info.

Hey @SusanT what is the scoop on Playa Del Rey. I see properties available there, but the lake actually looks like it would be too small for a full size slalom course on there. Do they actually have course skiing at Playa Del Rey? Or is it actually called Arizona Ski Springs?

For what it's worth, I ran long line before I got on here to find out that was the wrong thing to do. I'm still not fully convinced that I should have done it otherwise. I take many skiers through the course for the first time in the range of 26 mph. I let them all try it at -15 and at long line, and they all have more fun at long line (probably because they are making more balls). I tell them that the pros recommend going to -15 and they all say "I don't care, give me the rope." To me, learning to run the course for the first time has everything to do with learning to get stacked. I've never really understood the supposed correlation between a short rope and me learning to get stacked.

Very Interesting thread. For all the people who say they can't afford $70k for a ski boat, but they would be happy to pay 40, there is some kind of disconnect because I see a lot more of the big 3 flying off the lot than I do Gekko's and or even CP's. I saw the LXR video today, and my first thought is that this boat is perfect for me. However, I'm such a freak that if the TXI wake is at all noticeably better, I might just be crazy enough to do something like that instead? I do certainly think that the manufacturers are pretty good at knowing market conditions around them, so I'll be anxious to see what moves they make in the next 5 years. Hopefully that move isn't to just drop out of the market completely like we saw with stand up jet skis.

Ha ha ha!!! I love every post on here so far. I remember my first time running the course in probably about 2007 or 2008. I remember thinking to myself "oh, so that is what I've been training for during the last 15 years of my life!" Let's put it this way, from 2002 to 2008, I had been doing increasingly more wakeboarding and wakeskating and increasingly less skiing. I was frankly just kind of bored with skiing. Ever since I first discovered the course, that trend has completely reversed to the point where this summer I only had my feet on a wakeboard or wakeskate 5 times or so. Now I try to get as many waterskiers as I can out to the course. It is so fun to watch them suddenly "get it" and become addicted. Even my dad found a new love for waterskiing this summer and he is 69 years old. I am very excited for you to give this a try and I can't wait to hear you report back.

Alternatively, you could keep prices the same and tell them to bring their own boat? Then you would be just about in line with pioneer lake here in Utah. If i understand correctly, they are about $1200 per year and it is byob.

This is definitely some of the coolest waterskiing video I have seen in a long time. I would love to even just see like a graph with time as the x axis and speed as the y axis. The possibilities for this kind of technology just seem endless. Now I want to see a 36 mph run on it. That top speed of 51 mph would very likely turn into 55 before you know it.

hmmmm...I guess I will have to go home and check to see if my bubble butt has a 422. Is there some identification on it for me to be able to tell?

I'll probably get a few negative reviews for this one, but here goes anyway. I actually don't ski because I love skiing. I ski because I love glass. Just like I don't snowmobile and snowski because I love snowmobiling and snowskiing. I love powder. I could honestly be probaby 90% as happy wakeboarding or wakeskating on glass every day as I could waterskiing on it. Weird Right? I think I'm the exception here on this forum. Without a course, I think I would actually prefer to wakeskate the glass than to waterski it. Fortunately, I have a course, so such is not the case. There is just something about that glass and powder that satisfies everything I live for. The best part about waterskiing though, is that I can take the whole family while I do it. On a good powder day snowmobiling or snow-skiing, it is a buddies only event. My wife, 5 year old, 1 year old, sister etc. could never come on those days with me so I have to choose between powder and family. Waterskiing doesn't make me choose between glass and family. I also love that I'm 33 and see skiers at our club that are in their 60's that are way better than me. Hopefully it's something I can get better at as I get older.

Congrats on the new purchase. I hope you like yours as much as I did mine.

Ha ha!! That's funny @foxriverat as I was also coming off of a 13 year old KD 6500 67" when I moved to the senate. I suppose what you are coming from is pertinent to the discussion. Compared to that 67" KD, the senate certainly didn't feel too aggressive. If anything it was the opposite, that the first 3 times I skied it, it didn't feel aggressive enough. If I remember right, the connelly concept was a pretty aggressive high end ski at the time right? Maybe that would be the reason a senate wouldn't feel too aggressive since you are coming off of a fairly aggressive ski. I had forgotten the limited sizes available of the senate, I guess that is why I went 69 instead of 68. 68 doesn't exist.

I was faced with a similar dilemma at the start of last season in a similar position. Here was the compromise I made. I bought a senate, but I also got a senate that was too long according to their recommendations. I'm 5'11" and I was 185 at the time. I got a 69" senate. I was still doing long line, and I was skiing 28 mph pretty consistently. That ski did really well for me at 28 long line, then I went to 28 -15, then I went to 30 -15, then I went to 32 -15. Toward the end of this summer I was getting pretty consistent with my 32 -15 runs, and I was almost never even bothering with 28 mph runs anymore. The large senate at 32 mph was starting too feel a touch large like it was just skipping across the water too much at that speed and wasn't getting in the water and controlling well enough. I found an amazing deal on a brand new, 2 year old vice-c, and went for it. So now I'm 175 lbs. on a 68" vice C that I skied for the first time last saturday. I feel like it was a good move so far as I think that the Vice C is controlling in the water better at 32. With the new Vice C, I have completely eliminated 28 mph, and now I am only skiing 30 and 32 on it. Hopefully soon I'll get the guts to go to 34 on it, and I think it will be a pretty good ski for that as well. Anyway, long story short, where you are a touch smaller than I was at the time, I think if you grabbed a 68" senate, you would probably be a pretty happy camper. I was.

I'm not sure that you are actually comparing the correct two skis. It would seem that the correct comparison for a freeride in the radar line would be a p-6 or even a Satori. To find a more comparable equivalent to the Theory in the HO line, it seems like you might look toward the TX that Marcus mentioned above. If you're looking for long effortless runs, go with the Satori, freeride, or p-6. If you are looking for a ski that will be friendly to more aggressive skiing, look at the theory or the TX. Speed will play a factor too. If you are skiing at a faster boat speed, look at the more aggressive speeds. If you are skiing at a slower boat speed, look at the less aggressive skis.

Yup, this is exactly what I do. When I'm running my 30 mph passes, I take it easy, do it just right, and have a good time. When running my 32mph passes, I get intimidated, try too hard, and get pulled out of position. I'm hoping it will go away as I get more and more confident running 32 mph so that I won't feel like I have to rush so darn much.

well color me jealous. Hopefully I'll get mine right one of these days. Glad you got it going well.

@greghind how do I navigate the screen to put my system into classic mode?

@Tdub wait did I just hear correctly that you are running classic mode but not using magnets? That is possible? Please do teach me how.

So I'm sure I'll take some slack for this on this forum, but I notice in your signature that you have a tower on your boat. As far as getting up is concerned, hooking up to the tower can make a big difference on how easy it is to get up. Of course, once you're up, the tower will kill your cuts and you will be yanking the boat around everywhere, however, at least you are up and you're skiing instead of sitting in the water. My dad is 69 and has had some trouble off and on over the last 5-10 years at getting up. As of this year he is now riding a large P6 and getting up on the tower (he's not skiing super aggressively, so who cares right?) and loving how easy and effortless the sport has become. I can also attest that a 65" anything is way too small for a 200 pound rider. Good call on the Theory, I think you will like it. I have a Senate, and between my senate and my dad's P6, I have heard very few complaints. The Theory is brothers to both of those skis so it should do great for you.

A stranger? Are you serious? Look I take a ton of friends skiing who aren't great skiers and they all ski on my Senate, it's a good all around ski and not too aggressive for beginners, and I'm right there with them towing them, so it's fine whatever. But when I buy my next ski that runs me $1,000 and has bindings specifically for my feet? Even my friends aren't riding that one. If they don't have their own ski, they can hop on my old Senate. And that's my friends!! For a stranger? Ha!! Not a chance in the world that I would even loan a stranger my $50 Costco lifejacket, let alone a $1,500 ski.

woops, my bad. @bracemaker is right. 91-94. I didn't know the Supra's were all composite after 92, so that could be a pretty good options as well and you would be more likely to find one of those in your price range. http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=30459236&cat=147&lpid=&search=mastercraft&ad_cid=4