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yes but again if you hear the pump then pull the lanyard and dont hear the pump then replace the lanyard and again hear the pump which is a test that takes seconds then you can jump right past troubleshooting both the kill switch and ignition switch.

People say that but turn your key to on and listen. Then pull your lanyard and repeat. Report back. It cuts both on most of these boats since the 12V run wire goes through it to the engine. So pull lanyard it will crank it won't have spark and it won't run the fuel pump. If you hear fuel pump that circuit is OK but the spark is still dead then you need to go down another rabbit hole.

Hearing the fuel pump should indicate the lanyard is working typically that's inline with the fuel system's relays so probably that's already eliminating one bit.

RTP-1 is probably a MEFI-5 so https://www.bakesonline.com/media/resourcelibrary/Indmar_MEFI5-5Amanual.pdf

@The_MS oh rich. What of the "why would anyone think an open bow ski boat is a fully safe open bow boat and people should know better and take personal reasonability to not operate the boat incorrectly" Here's the thing no one is selling jump ramps to the general public and installing them on public lakes between 1 and 3 ball. Its a controlled environment it is precisely the type of controlled environment in which things that are relatively not safe are permissible because of the controlled environment. But you better 100% believe that Malibu's lawsuit was appropriate based on that comment because we're talking about the same guy.

Pelting.

@Mastercrafter did the Ilmor swap on one I know he had it up for sale I'm not sure if he moved it or not.

Trailer shops exist for fixing this sort of stuff, they'll probably cut that whole section out and put in a new rail.

The secondary thing was more about how they closed vs. how they opened. @Scott Russell I mean do it but remember there have already been lawsuits and settlements so if you're doing it commercially best of luck!

@DW issue with that is the best time to install an EFI is right after you make sure its running perfectly on a carb, not when you're having running concerns. If you cannot make your boat run on its carb its not going to run well on aftermarket EFI.

I think what he stated is that it works opposite of stand alone systems?

I'm just trying to be clear with expectations because I personally agree if you could take a late 80s early1990s era boat and drop a throttle body on it and plug in a ZO head unit and be off to the races I think that would be something a lot of us vintage ski boat owners would but I think Zero Off purposefully designed their system to make that difficult to impossible. Could that be due to the PP/ZO agreement? Sure but I doubt it, I don't think PP could complain if you could buy a sniper EFI from Holley and a ZO head unit retail plug em together and run it. I think this has more to do with ZO driving a market on new boats and the difficulty in retroing that back.

@Horton ski great yes. Live in a ski community with other boat owners and pull an event?

@Scott Russell I think you basically are putting the cart before the horse. The tournament regulation sort of allows you to use a vintage boat but practically speaking doesn't you basically would need to have a recent late model boat to pull anything that people are going to want. But from a ZO perspective from what I can tell they've put part of their control software into the head unit and part of it into the ECU so that neither aspect stands alone their engine management certainly isn't just taking a potentiometer input from the head unit.

That but also even if you get a DBW module, which they are for sale from time to time including on great lakes skipper its not like there is a standard for it to communicate with Sniper EFI. The wiring pin out for them is; RQST is the request line, when the PP module engages that's the signal from PP to the ECM, the ECM when it detects the request then the STAT line gets voltage and the PP display beeps to confirm engagement, and then from there the VGOV is the RPM level return. How you would get Sniper to communicate with it? I have no clue that'd be an entire extra layer of programming. I'm sure it has some input/output for cruise control maybe?

PP is a slackening device when the servo pulls tight your throttle cable works 100% like factory. but as the servo feeds out slack the throttle arm on the carb (or throttle body or potentiometer) goes towards idle pulled by the return spring. so you just swap out the brass fitting on the end of the throttle cable and install the servo unit then install the dash and computer box and click in the wiring. couple splices for power and tach and done.

@Scott Russell as mastercraft inserted its not that ZO only works with throttle by wire boats its that Zero Off is a product of E Controls Technologies and E Controls Technologies is the maker of the engine management software used by all the boats. I've opinioned that E-Controls needs to come up with their own throttle body system to repower these old boats but that isn't their market. Holley etc. don't run E-Controls so no shortcut to ZO there. There should be one but sadly no.

@Beezer Instructions to people always need to be relative to what they're doing which is the struggle about things in slalom waterskiing because what you're trying to do is steer people towards an outcome. I personally DO push on my feet, I push on my feet alot. But I also ride a trick ski around if you've never learned to get up on a trick ski you should. So for me I basically get in my ball, back heel in my butt, Arms straight, Head up, and as I feel the need to hold onto the handle that's right where I have enough pressure on the ski to essentially stand up. Which is no different than doing a "submarine" start on a trick ski. Say hit it, ball down on the ski underwater, feel the handle go tight and you can basically just stand up. IF the ski is under you not in front of you. And the "back foot butt" thing is just about figuring out how to make sure the ski is more under you than between you and the boat. / vs | otherwise if you "push" on your feet you stand the ski up in the water column and then when the throttle comes on you get collapsed.

Molds for these hulls don't just last for ever there they require upkeep, service, repair, and replacement. So even if someone had the mold you're going to need to make new molds every so often so even if the first mold was free it won't be for long. @buechsr the funny thing is a TON of people buy stripped down boats they just don't buy them from Mastercraft, or Nautique, or even sanger. The seadoo switch pontoon comes in with the 2.3L turbo indmar ecoboost at 45K. Start ignoring "pretending" that the boat is a stripped down ski boat and make it a budget conscious multisport boat with that engine and you sell them though a brand like seadoo and you sell 10,000 of them a year and that's how you make a stripped down ski boat and reach the intended audience and then if that boat happens to be good enough for a few people here? Maybe a handful don't buy the used ski boat.

Have to change the conditions first - can you get a fan in there anything to prevent the dew point from causing condensation?

Yes those people were purposefully excluded are any of them going to buy this Sanger for 70++ instead of __________________ buying a used MC/SN/Malibu? Look you want to sell a bunch of boats? Look at the boats that are selling like hotcakes by everyone who isn't those three, we know what they are selling and that's wake barges and a handful of ski boats. My local marina sells several hundred 19-24' I/O boats a year the other several marinas around me same thing Cobalts Four Winns etc. They sell a metric ton of pontoon boats. Unless you think you're creating a market for a new buyer (this boat doesn't) then you need to be targeting someone to buy it. The vast majority of new boat sales in the US are like I just mentioned the 19'-24' run about or bass boats and if you can blend a ski boat into that market you can create a market that IMO doesn't exist buyers like myself if that boat exists are replacing several boats with a single boat - if you can make it. Again this is not that boat to me this is like what would I do if I wanted to have my same 1990s boat but have it cost 60K more.

They're just the wrong boats to make "cheap" versions of. Groups of buyers. International - @BGrow76 sure a boat made and sold to places that don't want to pay for a US made boat to be shipped and imported and tariffs 100% great place to have an alternative to buying a SN or Mastercraft or Malibu if something made in mexico will play nothing would be better than the IWWF saying that Pista and Boesch and 100 other ski boats are IWWF certified and let the world stage drive the big 3 in the US into a corner. Show ski and barefoot - Hydrodyne and sanger and whatever fast boats, outboard boats boats that go 60 and have provisions to pull pyramids, show ski, triple outboard rigs, and towers with extensions to do triple flips on your hydrofoil - don't need to be AWSA towboats and that's a thing. Stripped down versions or 2nd tier versions of boats targeting AWSA approval your carbon pro, your ski nautique 200 - you have a ski lake you ski tournaments, you want a new boat, you don't care that you're not training behind or getting the support of being a big 3. Buyers who live on ski lakes but the ski lake has a club boat and they just want to own a used one for less because they just use it on weekends with friends. And then there's the HUGE market of public lake boaters who want a boat that does everything a true crossover someone stick a https://www.indmar.com/engines/23l-ecoboost/ in a DD hull based off a Prostar 205 from the mid90s or a Malibu TXi, reduce the engine cover as much as you can, modernize the top deck of the boat to get as much seating as you can, make the front bow as big as you can increase the freeboard as much as you can while just making sure it slaloms pretty OK at 28 MPH 15 off through 34 MPH 35 off and that's the boat. You'll sell more of that than anything else that engine is 300+ HP it can have ZO off I am your buyer. I own 2 prostars a pontoon and an I/O. We pull the I/O and put a second ski boat in when we don't have a ton of guests so we can pull more skiers. Literally we need a ski boat that's not absurd to ski behind that can competently go down 1.5-2' chop with out soaking the seating and has speed control for lower speed activities. Preferably with provisions to tarp and trailer.

JT has a good comment in the podcast not direct quote but to the effect of umps been there 50 years take your 43 the other direction.

That's the question really, personally I think the correct solution is a redesign of the skirt and backside of the jump ramp ignore Nate and 43 off for this argument how many brand new skiers have absolutely no clue where they are on a lake. A rounded off edge on the ramp would 100% change the risk. Round off that corner and have it curved and the risk of injury changes drastically. In the same event minutes apart we have 2 skiers rounding 1 and S turning and you can see very clearly that despite S turning FW didn't come anywhere near that corner of the ramp. It is impressive just how far down the course NS got. https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cxng6HAOlC3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== But can everyone recognize that a great way to get drowned at a ski lake is trying to manhandle a jump in sketchy conditions on a time crunch? Moving a jump is not easy it is extremely heavy and well secured, it needs to be level and properly installed and unwieldy they are not commonly moved through out the year multiple times and what is being asked for is somewhat silly. I mean I think the open bow malibu lawsuit makes a lot of sense compared to this. No one is trying to install ski jumps on public water with ski courses for the public to run through. This is a controlled sporting environment with athletes who pay to participate on a private facility. Safety curtain wrapping around the back? Sure - adding another ball to lakes that have a ski jump and changing the rules about a full ball score? Sure easy. Moving jump ramps repeatedly throughout the year so that skiers can be extremely late and score the point?

Don't get lured into thinking its just one problem sometimes several. No chance a low pressure fuel pump is causing your gauges to go out. One thing I'd be checking on first is simply output voltage on your alternator, takes juice to run the dash, fuel, and ignition and sometimes low voltage creates a "brown out" situation where there simply isn't appropriate voltage to keep everything going usually eventually causes a no start but not always.