Subtle Technique - Can only advanced topics members guess?

[BraceMaker]

My guess would be vision, he keeps his eyes downcourse through the turn, and into his hook up very nicely.

@Bruce_Butterfield

[Bruce_Butterfield]

Good point. Feel free to guess here.

[Than_Bogan]

Naturally, I find myself keying on what i'm working on, and I see him letting the handle out so smoothly. Nothing jerky nothing sudden, even though he holds it close for a long time on the way out.

 

My second guess has to do with where his hips are from centerline outbound, but I don't understand that aspect well enough to say what. Exactly he's doing.

 

In any case, I greatly look forward to your observations!

[ForrestGump]

@Than_Bogan I noticed last year at the Big Dawg, how slow and deliberate he fed the handle out.

[Zman]

Handle control...pretty much on the handle out to the buoy line.

[MickeyThompson]

Edge change at centerline.

[MattP]

@OB He skis well.

[ScaredOfCorbets]

I saw what @MattP initially, then noticed one more thing later. He seemed to be looking at the shoreline until almost he finished his turn. Typically you go where you are looking, thus he is 'countering' longer.

 

yup, many of us cannot post in the 'advanced' section.

[Ed_Johnson]

Matt does a great job in the pre-turn of reaching down, forward, and up, to bring his inside hip towards the inside turning radius, for a tight, high angle turn off the apex.

[Gloersen]

Shoulders open/facing down course throughout, especially pre-turn, reach, and into hook-up; everything else rotates into place.

[gregy]

He rides the line out really well, keeps the line tight. Almost no slack at anytime.

[SkiJay]

He maintains a solid connection between his handle and his center of mass almost out to the buoy line.

[Texas6]

As he exits the course through the gates he does a very cool yet not so subtle "cut the rope" motion with his right arm that seemed to double as a "video cut" motion....or perhaps it was meant to suggest how he just karate chopped the crap out of that pass...Hard to say, please send Kilo Kai

[liquid d]

It's his hair. Matt uses Vidal Sassoons strongest holding gel. Whether he's super smooth or flailing for an extra bouy at 41, Matt's hair always looks good.

[tjm]

Handle control. He doesn't give it up going into the turn and he doesn't reach for it coming out of the turn

[Mateo_Vargas]

He missed the entrance gates so nothing after that matters. Great looking zero!

[skiep]

He turns from apex (at ball) completely while looking down course

[h2odawg79]

@Bruce_Butterfield,

 

His Head and Vision are exceptional but, this is a Huge part of his Awesome technique. So, for "Subtle" I am going with his Hip alignment throughout the Course.

 

His Hips/Pelvic are virtually always facing down Course.

[Texas6]

@Mateo Vargas, great eye! I didn't catch that. He still stroked that pass though

[markchilcutt]

@Horton Im not advanced enough to guess i guess on the other thread (lame sauce post)!!! Didnt know we had segregation on BOS? you can only guess if you know something about correct tech??

That is some clean smooth skiing @matthewbrown!!

[Stevie Boy]

Very little upper body movement + shoulders remain level and square through the course.

[DanE]

@Mateo_Vargas -Not only a great looking zero but he also keeps a straight pokerface about it the entire pass

[BraceMaker]

On review - he's also putting the handle vertical on every release and on both sides.

 

I'm not sure if that's necassarily a good or bad, but it does looked learned and it is consistent.

[Not_The_Pug]

I like how he advances the ski at the center of the wake to help make a smooth edge change.

[Mike]

whoops...not qualified to offer any view. Apologize.

[Drago]

I'm not even "advanced " enough to know what or who you supreme beings are talking about. If it weren't so damn pitiful, I might think its funny.

Leigh Sheldrake, Drago

[SkiJay]

This has become my new favorite pass to watch. It's poetry in motion @Matthewbrown

[h2odawg79]

I still don't think his Vision is merely a "subtle" thing. So it's surely not the answer Bruce is seeking.

 

But, it IS what stands out the Most to me. As, he does demonstrate the deliberate use of Visual Ques Very Well! These ques are a Huge part of his stability and positioning.

 

Pylon, Shore, Ball line and repeat...

 

The body always follows the Head. (but, the Head does not have to follow the eyes.) Matthew makes a deliberate move to insure his Body follows his visual ques.

[tjm]

@Bruce_Butterfield I've been following the parent thread to this topic and the correct answer, along with your explanation was enlightening. . Thanks, I learned something that will be a benefit. When I have one thing to concentrate on my skiing improves dramatically, you should get what you ask for, in my humble opinion.

[Marco]

@drago This thread is referring to the thread in the Advanced Topics category titled "Subtle but very important technique", started by Bruce Butterfield. This thread here was started because us mortals are not allowed to post in the Advanced Topics category. You, however, should be allowed to post there. I would hope that anyone who skis into 41 has the right to discuss advanced topics...

[h2odawg79]

@Marco, "I would hope that anyone who skis into 41 has the right to discuss advanced topics"...

 

Well, there are some on there that can't ski -35. So, ????? all bets are off...

 

When is Bruce going to give us the answer?

[klindy]

@h2odawg79 he did in the other thread. His eyes are always level.

 

http://ballofspray.vanillaforums.com/discussion/7728/subtle-but-very-important-technique#latest

[matthewbrown]

My first thought is to stay up and open in the gate turn while staying in alignment moving my hips and shoulders inside the carving arc. As the line gets tight ideally I’m trying to move my mass ahead with my hips and knees as my shoulders stay open and I try to apply as much pressure as possible on my trailing arm(left arm) into one ball. The rest happens naturally all on it’s own. You can see the ski accelerate as soon as the second hand gets back on the handle and pressure is applied. If you try to apply pressure on the lead arm(right arm into one ball) you will not get the same acceleration as your body becomes static and is not able to be dynamic. Unfortunately, as the line gets shorter this becomes harder and harder to execute unless your last name is Smith. Trailing arm pressure is the most efficient and effective way to ski, it’s just that none of us were taught this and when we do try it, it usually is not done correctly. I figure if I can perfect it at 32, then I could do it on 5 out of 6 turns at 35, 4 out of 6 at 38, 3 out of 6 at 39..etc…

[SkiJay]

It looks to me like you've already perfected it at -32 @Matthewbrown!

[mwetskier]

in my work i design and build adaptive devices for occupational rehab clients, so i have to have some understanding of the mechanical functions of the human body to succeed. if i could post in the advance topics i would say that the trailing arm pressure makes a lot of sense from a bio mechanical aspect.

[Horton]

Skiers wanting to post in advanced topics need to fill out their profile all the way. There is no reason you can not post your comments outside of Advanced Topics.

[h2odawg79]

@Horton, I do not understand.

 

If filling out your Profile is the key, then why are there "Advanced Topic Members" who's Profile is Not completely filled out?

 

How does one's profile affect or qualify the Member to be able to contribute to helpful or positive Advanced Topic discussion?

 

Sorry, maybe it's just too early in the morning and I'm not thinking clearly yet...

[Marco]

@horton -What is the criteria for being able to post in advanced topics besides having a completely filled out profile? Forgive me if you have posted that already somewhere.

[Horton]

@marco roughly USAWS level 8 it higher. The idea is a more distilled conversation

[Marco]

Thanks for the clarification.