Baller swc5150 Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 The video from WSM states the engine is a Crusader Monsoon. So did PCM/Crusader purchase it from Indmar, or is the statement a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 Malibu owns the Monsoon name and can put it on anything they want. http://www.crusaderengines.com/challenger/engines/malibu-response-monsoon/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thanks @oldjeep That's icing on the cake for me...I'm big PCM fan. So anyone in western WI or Minneapolis interested in working over MN Inboard on a group buy? My wife is already on Bu's site building her boat:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 12, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 12, 2015 Get rid of that worthless, no space open bow and you will have more room than needed up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 Agreed, close up the bow and move the helm forward. That would remind me of a particular model I still love:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted January 12, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 12, 2015 @swc5150, I would be interested to see what you are quoted for the LXR. I just emailed a dealer here for MSRP on an LXR with trailer, ZO, base 350HP engine and cover. They said $65,000. I'm stunned. I am thinking of writing back to confirm they quoted me the right boat. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 What?! MSRP on a base TXi for 2015 is $64,458. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 I received my quote as well. Save yourself $15k and buy a promo Carbon Pro. Or buy a TXi promo for a few grand less. What a joke, I was really thinking Bu heard the cries and was ready to fulfill a market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 That's just silly. Let's see the Txi skis better, tracks better, more space, same company...why would one buy this boat price matched to a Txi??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 That price makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fine409 Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 Agreed, something isn't adding up there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 12, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2015 Agreed, makes no sense at all. In defense of the dealer, they also assumed it would be considerably cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just one last gripe, I was quoted $3k LESS on a new '14 TXi non-current at a different dealership. That makes even less sense. Good luck selling the RLX Malibu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted January 13, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 13, 2015 Like @swc5150, I did a little more questioning of my dealer and included details on my LX previous purchase (which included ZO) and cost recollection of new LXs in the last few years. I received a new quote of 52K. I think maybe they realized the original MSRP number they floated was not to a noob. And, after all, "there is a difference between actual purchase price and MSRP". The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted January 13, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 13, 2015 @skibrain, that boat is a 2003 and says it has "Zero Off GPS cruise". I wonder if it is a repower or they meant to say zBox. Nice looking boat and low hours. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 I got a revised quote of $52k as well, after my initial stunned reaction. Note: still stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 $52k is still too high. Take $10k out of that price and they could sell a lot of boats, but I suppose they don't want to cannibalize the TXI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 Agreed that they likely don't want to cannibalize TXi sales, but the question then is why even build it when the price is so close? I just don't get Bu's logic on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted January 13, 2015 Supporting Member Share Posted January 13, 2015 @Razorskier1 Agree on the -$10k. I understand the fear of cannibalizing your own business, but this feels like a REALLY tough sell if it costs significantly more than a Carbon Pro -- which it sounds like has better slalom wakes. Of course, I'm not an open bow guy, so maybe I'm hugely under-rating the difference people would pay for that. @chef23 @rayn It's amusing that we have similar performance and on the same lake and many other similarities in our "situation," but have 3 different preferences for the bow: step-through, walk-over, and closed. Shows how much that's a personal preference thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 13, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 13, 2015 Out of curiosity, which makes a better wake boat for wake sports. The claim seams to be LXR over TXI. Could it be they are counting a bit more on the cross over folks? If owned for a year, would it not be easier to sell? Just thinkn out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 Why would the LXR be a better boat for wake sports? Narrow beam and light weight are not attributes of a good wake boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 I give credit to MC for creating a boat that is both an open or closed bow and provides first rate wakes, space and ergonomics. (Of course doing that comes at a cost). I have actually gone from a step thru OB when kids were small to a walk-over as they grew, now I have a closed bow because the I find I rarely have more than 3 people in the boat and kids aren't too interested in skiing -- or even being seen --with "old guys". The LXR and TXi in the same line up without a clear price difference is a little confusing but It's great to have some ski-able options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 13, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 13, 2015 @oldjeep not a great wake boat but as they claim, or imply is that it's better then TXI. Which means if someone was looking for a potential crossover and was a bit sticker shocked by the wake boat prices, the dealer could point them to the LXR for 1/3 the price. Also the reason for a trunk and open bow. May be easier to sell then we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 1/3 the price of a crossover? It might be 1/3 the price of a Nautique G23 ;) In any event I suspect that someone with 50K or so that wanted a crossover or wake boat would either buy a cheaper brand or buy used before they bought a very small, very low DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 13, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 13, 2015 @oldjeep wrong fraction. Meant 3/4 the price. Kinda like that car ya really want only to find out there is a ton of fees and they only have the most expesive optioned one. So dealer says...look over here. Can get u in this one for much less and does essentially the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 It reminds me of my boat 2005 Malibu Sportster LX with a wedge. My boat has great wakes for some surfing and wake boarding with the wedge down but also has good slalom wakes. Best of both worlds and it did not cost huge $$$$ "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 @bulldog apparently it would if they brought it back with a walk thru open bow :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted January 13, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 13, 2015 It is interesting how many comparisons people are making to the Sportster. The LXR is simply a reset to the 90's sizing for a 3 event boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted January 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2015 My boat was 32.5 in 2002 new at the boat show. With a 3% annual inflation rate over 12 years if I did the math right that would put the same exact boat at about 46K in today's dollars. $52K is obviously higher than that but not a crazy amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2015 But your calculation on 3% annual inflation only takes into account the cost of money. Materials, overhead, and SG&A outpaced the inflation rate by a large amount at times. Calculate out how much resin is used on a 20ft ski boat and then compare the price of resin in 2002 with the price of resin now. It far outpaced the inflation rate. There was a reset in the way companies charged for labor every 3-4 years in that time, too. Massive government regulation, such as the ACA, have forced this. For example, my company had a loaded labor cost of $53/hr for our technical employees in 2006. In 2010 it was $72 and in 2013 it was $88. Today that loaded labor cost is $120. Boom! In 8 years our labor cost has gone up 120% while the inflation rate would tell you it would cost about 25% more. I bought a F250 Powerstroke Crew Cab new in 2002 for $32k. That same truck today is $55k after the discounts and rebates. I'd like to be able to place the blame at the dealers and manufacturers, but things are just expensive now. The one thing I can say is that the dealer area protection gives no reason to compete on price on a ski boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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