Baller_ Wish Posted September 8, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted September 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller santangelo Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted September 8, 2015 Author Baller_ Share Posted September 8, 2015 Ya... Changed the tittle as I cought that it was 2013.. Still curious as to how many 41s now and has anyone come close to matching that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chris_logan Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Older post from 2013. FB has been doing that lately, reminding you of older posts that got a lot of attention and asking if you'd like to share / repost it. **Edit** @Wish with a sneaky recovery in his original post now makes me look silly. Kudos. As far as how many 41's now, I'd say you can't fit them all on your fingers and toes combined, but I'm not fact checking first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted September 8, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted September 8, 2015 I know that he ran it once this weekend at Hidden Lake Record Tournament in Clio, MI. I bet the number is approaching 90. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindy Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 @MISkier don't forget he was hurt much of last season. So he had run 41 forty times in his career approx 2 years ago. Pretty sure he hasn't run it 50 more times since then. I'll bet the number is 60-65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wskierman8 Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Looks like another 36 since 9/8/13 on the rankings list including scores at 43 and 6@41 scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lakeaustinskier Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 I recently did a clinic with Nate outside St. Louis (Lake of Dreams). Unfortunately I wasn't skiing well that day - but - what struck me the most about Nate was the 100% total complete confidence he has in his skiing ability. I guarantee that every time Nate Smith goes out and runs up the line he is 100% confident that he'll run the pass - even 41 and 43. At the clinic we had some dead time between skiers and on the spur of the moment the lake owner asked him to ski some passes for us. Five minutes later he's running up the line deep into 41 off - no prep time, no screwing around - just pure business. Based on recent threads about being stuck forever at a particular buoy count or being fearful of injury at a particular line length maybe the real problem might be between our ears (it is for me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 I believe I heard someone say he has more than everyone else combined. Don't know if that's true. Just that he had done it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 I have the numbers. Will post when I get off the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 By my count Nate has 77 scores in R/L events into 43. 13 scores of 6@41. Note: Since 9/7/13 the date of his current WR Nate has skied in 139 R/L Rounds. Since his WR he has got 2@43 1 time the day after he set the WR and on 7/12/2015 he scored 1.5@43. These are the only two scores past 1@43 he has since the WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Scores into 43@36mph Skier # Year first ran into 43 Nate 77 - 2010 CP 44 - 2005 Will 8 - 2008 Freddie 6 - 2014 Mapple 4 - 1998 Travers 3 - 2012 Jamie 2 - 2003 Rodgers 2 - 1997 TGas 1 - 2009 *in a runoff does not count as an official score Ben Favret 1 - 2002 - Boat Path Issue I need to fact check myself again in these numbers, but they are pretty close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kc Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 I know Nate's completed 41 passes in practice is unbelievable. I just finished driving for him an hour ago at my lake (10 minutes from his home). He's been over 4 or 5 times in the last few weeks, and only once didn't run 41, and each time has been straight up the rope. He ran it today in a crazy tailwind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 CP has skied in 144 R/L rounds since Nate's WR & has 9 scores past 1@43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihart Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Didn't JT run 41? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Yes he did @skihart, Also.... Freddie has already run 41 10 times????? He ran it for the first time at the tail end of last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 @skihart yes he has 3 times if I recall correctly. I added him to the list above. I was pulling data from an infographic I have been working on that he is not apart of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 @Ilivetoski Oh good catch I see an issue with that dat list. It is actually 6. - Updated above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted September 8, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted September 8, 2015 So, it appears true that Nate has run 41 more than everyone else combined. Just amazing. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted September 8, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2015 Now someone needs to put the ski to those numbers. Tricky with CP, but otherwise shouldn't be too difficult. Nate 77 - 2010 X5 z7?, Q45 CP 44 - 2005 obrien, Goode, HO? Will 8 - 2008 A1 Freddie 6 - 2014 Mapple 4 - 1998 obrien______? Travers 3 - 2012 ? Jamie 2 - 2003 F1 Rodgers 2 - 1997 Goode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 Just for kicks Nate booted up my old ski from the 90's and ran 41 on it. Easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 If run offs count T Gas ran it once in a runoff (worlds maybe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 @ozski what ski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 @skidawg yes, it was in a runoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller estrom Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 That list makes me realize how hard this silly sport is. Rodgers clears 41 almost 20 years ago and the record has only progressed by 2.5 buoys. And Rodgers and Mapple weren't using these new scientific rocket ship skis that are used today. That's some amazing skiing by those guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 @estrom and per the rules the buoy tolerance was larger when Andy & Jeff did it. Today the course is narrower by a small margin. Andy said that those few cm made a difference. @Edbrazil how much did the course change when the buoy tolerance was changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller drewski32 Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 Does that list include 6@41 scores or only scores into 43? It'd be interesting to see how many 41's have been run even if there was no 43 score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 @drewski32 No it does not include no continuation scores. I have those numbers somewhere... I think.. I will add that to my todo list as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted September 9, 2015 Supporting Member Share Posted September 9, 2015 Is there any way to tell the difference between a 6/no vs. a 6 followed by zeroing the next gate? I can't think of a way to tell, and that's actually pretty weird, because in one case you completed the pass and the other you didn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted September 9, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2015 @Than_Bogan 6@41 vs 0@43? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted September 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2015 @DanE I think that is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted September 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2015 Maple and Rogers=no ZO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Freddie Winter Posted September 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2015 @MattP Is that really true about Mapple only running it 4 times? I saw him do it 3 times in one single tournament at Princes around 2003/2004. I know he also did it at Greater Miami Ski Club. I know it's tough to get scores, especially going back a few years but I reckon he might have a few more. I also saw Will Ashers first ever score of 1@43 at the British Nationals at Thorpe in 2008. It was the first 41off he'd ever run and he did it in grim conditions. My mind might be deceiving me but I think it was even raining a bit. He's a true Brit. That remains the best score ever in Europe and maybe even outside of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskior Posted September 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2015 @FWinter I believe Nate ran 1@43 in 2 of 3 rounds at the Calgary Pro Shootout last year. That is the record on Canadian water, and I don't think anyone has ever run 41 in Canada before or since. Fast and cold up here! Canada being part of the commonwealth with the Queen on the money and all means you're next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 10, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 10, 2015 @FWinter I could have gotten that number from 4 seperate tournamnts instead of rounds or that was only USA scores since they are easier to come by. Again I'll have to fact check myself. If the rounds were not sanctioned as L/R im not going to waste my time tracking scores down. Different story if I was getting paid to track data...with the time I spend doing it I would be making some good side money. Note: Sometimes H2H scores do not make scorebooks since there is a max amount of rounds that can go into a scorebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 And???? Is this only 36 mph; Mapple ran 41 3x's in one tourney last year alone in MS!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @skidawg yes 36 only. I have another 34mph list. People care about 34mph skiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 More sub 36 skiers on this forum I would bet... so yeah it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 My thoughts! It would increase the numbers for Andy and Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @skidawg yes, it would. I will work on updating the 34mph list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @Fwinter I am pretty sure Jamie B ran at least 1@43 in France that didn't get approved because of video issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chris_logan Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 Obviously @MattP needs to get on the ball with compiling IWWF scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 By my count at 34mph Andy Mapple - 6 times - 2014 Jeff Rogers - 5 times - 2012 *Frederic Halt - 1 time - 2014 - In a run off does not count as an official score I see 2 scores for Mapple in M3 from 2002 2@43 & 4@43. These must be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bishop8950 Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @mattp Mapple did that at trophy in a class c. Rumor was it looked like he could have run either of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 Just taking @MattP 's original raw data, it is interesting to take the skier's first year as a way to count # of years capable of skiing into -43. Then, divide the total # of scores by the number of capable years as their "average" per year. The top three with that calculation are: Nate, 77, 5yrs, avg per yr: 15.40 Freddie, 6, 1yrs, avg per yr: 6.00 CP, 44, 10yrs, avg per yr: 4.40 So, that just confirms both Nate's domination, Freddie's rise to the top levels, and CP's consistency. It would also be interesting to do the same type of analysis, but focusing on -41 off and above and only on the past 3 years. That might indicate more up-and-coming skiers on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted September 11, 2015 Author Baller_ Share Posted September 11, 2015 Would be interesting to know if anyone came close to that way back when few ran 39. How many 39s back then?. Was there a Nate S in terms of sheer number 39s run compared to the rest of the field or is he just a prodigy that has no comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @ToddL -it would be nice to see the comparison with the above three and add in total number of tournament rounds skied??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @skidawg - yep! @Wish - ooh! another good question... I wonder how to make that objective... Maybe take the number of rounds into the WR line length of each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @skidawg - so for each skier: # scores into -43 / number of scores on the books, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskior Posted September 11, 2015 Baller Share Posted September 11, 2015 @Chef23 JB's score was 2@43 in lacanau 2007 malibu open, which would have been the sole record at the time, but disqualified due to lack of boat video? http://www.waterskimag.com/features/2014/04/10/throwback-thursday-jamie-beauchesne/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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