Baller Higleyskier Posted June 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2016 I need a new handle. I have a ML custom, 1.0, 13". While browsing ML and inTow I noticed that many of the top skiers use a 12" handle. Is there a technical reason for this or just preference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 12, 2016 Administrators Share Posted June 12, 2016 I use a 12 because that is what i have always used. No good reason. If you like a 13 get another 13 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted June 12, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted June 12, 2016 @Mark_Matis Or your head. I have a feeling that is why jump handles are so short. I use a 12 and a 13 feels awkward. However, I have heard some larger chested skiers say that a 13 allows them to get their chest up between their arms and the hip to the handle more easily. On the other hand I have seen big guys with 12s and skinny guys with 13s. I would try some different handles to see what you like best rather than getting internet advice about a matter of personal preference. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted June 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2016 Agree with @lpskier, unless ur a bigger guy, stick with the 12" handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted June 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2016 @Higleyskier, I'm with @Horton, if you're happy with a 13" stick with it. There is no reason to assume a Perfromance advantage with either length or diameter. I will say however, by alternating diameter may, again MAY, help avoid blisters and elbow problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted June 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2016 @Mark_Matis, I'm missing something in your comments concerning handle length and an advantage in "reach". I fail to see the relationship between handle length (i.e. 12" - 13" or whatever) and your terminology "usable length" and "additional length". I don't see how that can give you more room at the buoy. The only help in that regard is a longer measurement from the inside of the handle to the inside of the attachment loop. Explanation please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Gar Posted June 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2016 I tend to miss the handle do my theory is an extra inch cannot hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted June 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2016 I'm would think that the portion of the handle with no hand on it would have to go fully slack, to the point of turning your wrist downward to gain a half an inch. Man, I don't think you'd get much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RazorRoss3 Posted June 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2016 The biggest bonus of the 13" is that it's harder to miss it when you're scrambling your ass off. The jump handles are so small 100% for the avoidance of putting you're head through it. I've certainly caught my 13" with just 2 fingers before and on a 12" it would have been a complete miss so the 13" has given me several buoys I wouldn't have otherwise had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted June 12, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2016 I went to 13" handle about 5 years ago and was kicking myself for not doing it sooner. The extra margin of error cut down on handle handle misses greatly for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted June 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2016 @Mark_Matis unless I misunderstand you, I think you are looking at an old rule book. The measurement of the handle (the 4'11" measurement) is from the inside of the loop to the inside of the handle. This rule change gave us an extra half inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted June 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2016 @Mark_Matis "Not much, but longer" Can you put a number to this? Actually do the math? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted June 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2016 Ski buds and I all go with the In Tow handle and cross bar. One is a 12" ARS and the other three are 13" radius handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Higleyskier Posted June 13, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted June 13, 2016 Many thanks to all. So, I am hearing that there is no technical/strategic reason/advantage that many of the top skiers choose the 12" handle. If that is the case, I will certainly choose what feels best to me. If any of the skiers listed on InTow want to comment otherwise I am all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller keithh2oskier Posted June 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2016 @MattP @Mark_Matis; Woo-hoo, finally get to use the pythagorean theorum. Those middle school math teachers were right, this would be useful one day. :wink: Don't have the rule book but I thought the length of the handle was like 5' (60") from center to the rope. That's Measurement B. With a 12" handle your measurement C is 6" and 13" handle has a C measurement of 6.5". So solving for A with a 12" handle gets you 60.3". With a 13" you get 60.35. So while a 13" handle does give you a slight advantage in width at the buoy, that isn't going to help us mortals at probably anything below 43 off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller keithh2oskier Posted June 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2016 @Mark_Matis, your correct. I did realize that the B is way too long and re-ran the numbers with B being about 12" (estimating what the triangle portion of my handle is) and the increase was slightly bigger - a 10th of an inch or so. Maybe I can just stretch upside down for a few minutes before my ski ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lcgordon Posted June 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2016 This would be assuming that the other side of the handle goes completly slack. If both sides of the triangle are tight then you are still the same distance from as the center of the handle from the pylon. I could be wrong but this is what it going on in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbrannan Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Based on all these ideas, this may be a true example where size does not matter...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted June 13, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted June 13, 2016 I use a 12 inch US Gear and the reason is #1 quality, #2 it has reduced my misgrabs and #3 my head will not fit through it so no need for guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lcgordon Posted June 13, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2016 http://www.schnitzskis.com/images/926_DSC_3770ab_Nate_Smith.jpg If you look at this picture it does not go slack but still does move a bit. The upper portion of the triangle is not straight with his arm. If it was straight the Pythagorean theorem would be exactly correct. It is not though it goes up a bit. It is not quite as much as the equation would give you. But I would agree that you get a tad more reach. I guess in something that every bit counts it could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 14, 2016 Administrators Share Posted June 14, 2016 This whole conversation is silly Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chris55 Posted June 14, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 14, 2016 Who's horse is bigger than my horse ??????? Just ski with comfort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted June 14, 2016 Baller Share Posted June 14, 2016 I have been skiing a 13 inch handle for a few weeks and my skiing has not been good with it. Numerous misgrabs and funky pulls. Am going back to 12 inch handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 14, 2016 Administrators Share Posted June 14, 2016 I can't explain it but i am only comfortable with a 12" Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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