Baller Sebgo Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 I'm looking to purchase, and seeking opinions of which one you would choose. Also would you mind sharing what % off MSRP would be a good / reasonable price. First time buying a new boat. Thanks in Advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Woodybc62 Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 Can’t wait to see the responses ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted November 17, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 17, 2020 I know what I would want but what can you afford is the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 I’ve owned both and as much as I liked the older 200s. The new design didn’t drive it ski as good as before the 2019. I now own a new prostar and hands down this boat is better. Driving and skiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 My dollar vote went to a 2021 Nautique. We absolutely love everything about ours. If you want to order one, however, you should get an order in because I hear some Nautique dealers are already out or close to out of 2021 build slots across all model lines. It is tough to gauge what price to expect in this supply climate, so I won't venture a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 17, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 17, 2020 This is kind of a Coke vs Pepsi / Ford vs Chevy sort of question. Full disclosure I do business with MasterCraft. I am biased but I do 100% believe what is written below. The 2021 ProStar is clearly not a stripped-down economy boat but you will have to look hard to find unnecessary design concepts. It is pure ski boat. It is simply a very well thought out ski boat. The designers of this version, as well as the previous versions, are skiers. I would challenge anyone to show me a boat with better slalom wakes or skier feel at all speeds and rope lengths. The “Ski Nautique” is the most controversial boat in modern ski history. You will find skiers who will tell you that it is the most technically advanced boat of all time. Those who love this boat LOVE this boat. It is the boat of choice for international events. It clearly has the best trick wakes of all time. The slalom wakes receive mixed reviews at different speeds and rope lengths. It is also the most complicated boat of all time. It drives differently from all other boats and the feel from the skier’s perspective is also different from any other boat. As a skier, I personally dread tournament rides behind the Nautique because the pull (power delivery) is unlike every other boat. When I have been able to get a number of practice rides in a row behind it I have adapted. If I owned one I am sure I would ski fine behind it. Given a choice, I would always choose a Nautique 200 over the newer Ski Nautique. The shortline pull behind the ProStar feels more familiar to any other ZO boat. It is a refined version of the pull you would feel behind anything from an older Nautiques or any Malibu. Price? 2021 ProStars are sold out. I do not think there are deals on ANY new ski boats from all 3 brands for the foreseeable future. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 17, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 17, 2020 My walk throughs Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brettmainer Posted November 17, 2020 Members Share Posted November 17, 2020 Interesting dichotomy to hear in November 2020 MC is already sold out of 2021s and Nautique is very close to sold out, yet we have another thread that says the boat companies don’t sell enough of these boats to keep promo teams viable. Back on topic, if I were buying a new boat this year, it would be a MasterCraft. And this is coming from someone who is so satisfied with his 2016 200 that I wouldn’t trade it for any of the new boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 I thought the title was the nautique 200 not the new ski nautique. Huge difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 17, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 17, 2020 @mbabiash I have not actually been in one of the 200s built since the new boat came out and the molds went to Tennessee Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 @Horton Don’t. Not worth it. ? No it’s not an awful boat it’s just obvious that the quality went down and it’s not the same boat through Bryant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 17, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 17, 2020 @mbabiash last I heard the molds were back in Orlando Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 Well. That’s good. Hopefully that will change things. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 Spot on @mbabiash the topic is 200, not a SN. This seems to happen in all threads about Nautiques now. Dumbass idea by Nautique to not give this iteration of the 200 a distinct new name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted November 18, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 18, 2020 Had a 2019 200, ZERO issues, ZERO QC issues, 300hrs+, skied great, drove great, nothin but compliments from skiers and drivers over 2 years with over a half dozen tournaments pulled with it, many PB's set behind it. Ordered a 2021 and it's being built as we speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted November 18, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 18, 2020 Spent a lot of time at both ends of the rope in @jayski s 200 Awesome boat By the way jay hows the ice fishin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipkimball Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I have owned both MC and SN and have skied behind both the new Prostar and the 200. With the new Prostar this year I was very motivated to buy the Prostar, and actually had a build slot reserved. Then I skied them back to back and ended up ordering a 2021 SN 200 instead. For me, I like the pull and the wakes slightly better. I find that it tracks better and turns tightly more effectively, and I also didn't like the sight lines in the PS. The build is solid and it's just a great boat. This is an issue primarily of preference. There are lots of skiers who will say that the PS has a better pull and wakes, and then there are others that will say the SN. Frankly, you will get a great pull and great skiability no matter which way you go. The ergonomics of the PS and the convertable top are well thought out and it is also a great boat. In terms of pricing, I found that with a good dealer you can get about the same price on either boat. Availability is an issue on both, so if you're going to order do it now. I am extremely happy that I've ordered the 2021 SN 200. I am sure you will be happy with either. My suggestion is that you drive and ski behind both and make a decision based upon how it feels to you. There is not a technical correct answer as they are both great boats, it's just about preference, and you can't make that preference decision until you're behind the wheel of both. Good luck and happy skiing:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted November 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 22, 2020 @chipkimball you have up-to-date information on both here which is great. But you probably should know what the actual model of boat you have paid for is - it's a Ski Nautique or a Nautique 200. One or the other.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted November 22, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 22, 2020 If you gave me the option on those two, hands down the MC . That new 200 ain't the old 200 . Or go find a 2018 or older 200! I think Mastercraft is on to something. Limited gimmicks and far friendlier wake characteristics across the board then the new 200. Also I think the ZO on the MC is better matched to the boat then that of the new 200. But in the words of Sargent Schultz!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipkimball Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 @rockdog its the Nautique 200. Thx for pointing out the error:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted November 24, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 24, 2020 @Sebgo. I know you only asked for opinions on 2021 MC and Nautique 200. But, you should also consider a new Malibu Txi. I got to drive and ski a 2021 Response Txi recently. It drove as good as any ski boat I have ever driven. Tracking was easy well into super shortline passes, and the power out of the hole was incredible. I skied a set at 34 mph, and a 2nd set at 32 mph. Both felt great. Super soft and small wakes. I have never skied anything any better. Quiet, solid, smooth, and fun to drive. Great looking inside and out. Excellent ergonomics and features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfred Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I made the decision and went with the MC prostar. I got a june build when ordered in early September. I probably overpaid by 5-10 K but to answer your question I got 21.75% off the list. This deal is nowhere near as good as the advertised 75K with a stereo on the trailer. I also had to forego the lighter and more powerful and efficient Di motor as they wanted 10k more as opposed to Malibu that upcharges 6k or ilmore themselves who charge about 1k more. I got the best deal on a response and the worst deal on the nautique 200 which is in need of a refresh. Production slots are extremely limited for all ski boats but this is the first year that this problem exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 24, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 24, 2020 I read @drfred's post last night and thought something was very wrong with that engine pricing. A few emails to Fred and to MasterCraft later it was clear that he got a price from a fake engine website from Indonesia. The site fooled me too. My contact at MasterCraft told me it was not new and they knew of engine shoppers that had been defrauded in the past. Funny, the super crappy web design actually made the site look more real to me. Here is the link but all the info is fake and DO NOT send them your money. https://inboardenginesale.com/ilmor-marine Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfred Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Yes, @horton is right about the crate engine pricing and that website does appear real and since it was only used for a piece of information I had no reason to check it. Mastercraft has an exclusive marine engine agreement with Ilmore and Mastercraft sets the price. More information on the actual cost difference in price of the 6.0 vs 6.2 might be obtained by evaluating differences in dressed crate motor pricing of similar GM engines, but thats for a different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterskier7 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Don't go new. Find a 1997 Ski Nautique w/Chevy Block w/APEX Fuel Injection. Best power and waker ever!!!!! Plus you will save a lot of $$$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 20, 2020 Administrators Share Posted December 20, 2020 @waterskier7 you going to ski tournaments after practicing behind that antique? Repower it and add ZO then you have a great tug. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jmoski Posted December 20, 2020 Baller Share Posted December 20, 2020 One other criteria to consider is the strength of the dealership and their service department. I have experienced dealers for both brands that run the gamut - some are awesome, some are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted December 20, 2020 Baller Share Posted December 20, 2020 @drfred fwiw the Malibu is only available with DI engines, either the 5.3 or the 6.2. Same aluminum build and weight. Congrats on the order! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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