Chad_Scott

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@toddl record sandbagging. I mean first of all why is this even a conversation it's a new pending world record. While there are financial incentives for skiers. I'm pretty sure Nate was just thinking about getting a full 3. A place where no one has been before. With or without the incentive he would have done the same. He has 2. 2.5@43 off. While they are certainly seeking incentives these competitive athletes are seeking to do what hadn't been done before Your incentive idea isn't going to change that. Remember they are World Records for a reason. They don't happen everyday It will be a long wsy to 4 ball.

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We are trying to make it easy for some to podium. Plain and simple. Anyone that believes rules rules rules will increased participation has lost their minds. Or it's some of the same people and mentality that have watched as the membership dwindled maybe that's the point fewer participants maybe I can podium finally What happened to work hard with dedication. As I said in another post. Access is the key. Our efforts need to be spent attracting new members not pissing off the existing

Personally I want to compete against my peers. People my age with similar life experiences. I would not take any joy out of competing with a child and winning or losing. My son and I can do that in practice. Do you think kids want to compete against adults. Not a chance. Half of the battle with keeping kids interested in waterskiing is finding tournaments they can attend to compete against other children their age . I have brought two children into the sport. I can assure you that skiing with Dad and all of his friends every weekend is not appealing. Nor is competing against me and my friends. For many years my son Tyler could beat most of my friends when he was skiing in boys 2. He still wanted to compete in his age group. He is still in school and if he skied would probably qualify for level 10 with just a couple tournaments. I can tell you that he would not want to ski in level 10 as he is struggling with time and attending school. As a full time med student he should not be forced into level 10 to ski against Nate Smith who skis for a living And akis everyday. Nor should Stephen seal be mandated to jump against Freddy who also skis for a living. Stephen who also works daily The level 10 came about because some people who have a major voice or position at AWSA want a chance to win a slalom title. They can't do it with ability like the most of us did. They want to force skiers out so they can have a chance. None of which will help the sport with membership growth. It will just help a few have a shot at a title. Obvious by making it only mandatory for men's 3/4. Just as many guys in men's 5 run 39 but not included in level 10. Humm!!!! Personally I think it's all about personal agendas. You want to make MM an elite group. Change the speed. Make it 35 mph. Give open guys a place to retire to and those who want to ski a little faster a place to go as well.

Along with skiing I play in a flag football league There's s reason I play in the 35 and older groups. While on some days we might be able to play with my sons team There is a reason the leagues are divided by ages as well. Lots of strong opinions on here about competition. I sure hope all you guys with strong opinions back them up by showing up at regionals and nationals. If you have such strong opinions about competing make sure your ass is standing on the dock when it matters. During the survey more than half of those in favor don't ski in regionals and nationals. So I'm sure with alll these strong opinions on here there will be an increase in attendance at nationals. @MISkier look forward to seeing you there as well

I can remember chasing an ep rating like it was yesterday Going to tournaments just trying to qualify for nationals. Skied several year before I even sniffed he podium I always thought it was a big deal to qualify and ski. Once I qualified I had a great time met lots of lifelong friends and watched as the best skiers in the divisions won As a result it made me want to work harder to get to the top of the tier. I was top seed or second for nearly 13 years before I won a title. Finally won my last year in men's 3. There are lots of great skiers that ski the national championship I enjoyed the experience but most important. I enjoy the great people and friends I have met over the years well worth every dime I have spent going each year. Because of skiing I have friends and contacts all over the country willing to provide a ski ride anytime you are in their area. What can be better than that!!

Haha @OB1 Yes too busy adding to a rule book because that's the key to bringing people to the sport. Good luck with zoning board. Places like yours do increase exposure for the sport and hopefully you will have plenty of new members. Build it. They will come (after u do all the work). See you in wpb

That's why you need an organization not an individual pushing for these things. AWSA should have an organizational plan and use the membership numbers to promote this. I agree it's hard for an individual to do this. Get the governing body behind it. You go to Okeheelee all the time. I am friends with a mayor in a small town. He is interested. The thing that he has looked at is the numbers a national or regional championship would bring in. People hotels and tax money. If the organization had the stats and numbers it would be possible. Maybe not everywhere but it can happen. I mean it happened in west palm beach. Problem is what you just said. It's just you trying to do it. We have to have a bigger vision and plan as an organization to turn it around. Focusing on level 10 and ZBS isn't going to fix the issues which is lack of exposure and access period.

It is the National Championship @OB1 We shouldn't make it easier to win a national title. Why did the sport have some of the biggest numbers when chuck Forrest was winning men's 3 year after year. People weren't whining to move him to another division because no one could beat him. They kept showing up and giving it their best shot he was just better and people did not leave the sport because of it This new entitlement generation. No one person in men's 3 or 4 has dominated since Forrest. When he was whipping everyone they had 180 skiers chasing him in men's 3 AWSA should focus their efforts on getting local municipalities to dig a lake for skiing instead of a drainage pond Can you imagine if there was an Okeheelee park like facility in Atlanta, New Orleans Houston Dallas and many other small Towns across the country . They build recreation parks all over he place Most of these parks have retention lakes. AWSA should be proposing and educating these facilities to dig the lake longways and open it for skiing. Okeheelee park should be a model for AWSA to present to local municipalities and encourage the construction of these lakes You want to add numbers to the sport add that type of exposure around the country. that's the way to in tease memberships and participation Someone with a bigger vision than changing rules and trying to make it easier for people to win rather than compete All of this other bullshit is doing more to turn people away from what's left of the sport We need leadership with vision and energy to increase exposure by increasing availability to the public

Let it also be noted the majority in favor do not compete in regionals or Nationals So why take a stance on something you have no involvement in.

Exactly

@Kelvin The Malibu Open

Looked like Nate could have turned it. Did safe thing to keep top seed

Agree with @Bruce_Butterfield Sanity prevailed.

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Survey results were in favor of class C and cap speeds at regionals and nationals. A lot of the people who voted are those that do not ski regionals or nationals.

@MISkier Obviously there is no swaying your opinion and no desire to compromise. As for the majority of the top tier level 9 skiers I have spoken to all are opposed to competing at different speeds. It's why the big dawg has been so successful it's based upon competition. Truly competitive individuals want to compete with equal conditions. And since AWSA and the rules committee has also forced the level 10 into such a wide age range of skiers the majority of these guys are all opposed to adding 6 buoys and enticing people to take advantage of the handicap. Do what you want at s backyard class C event. Leave it out of what are supposed to be competitive events. Well said @Bruce_Butterfield

@Roger Yes I can't find the half in favor of either. Everyone I have talked to echoes your thoughts. Speed caps and let's proceed. Great for juniors and newcomers

@Than_Bogan You are correct in my opinion The top tier guys will be forced into 36 to compete at nationals to take advantage of 6 buoys Again I believe the data is tainted. I know I am a better skier today than I was when I was in men's 2@36. I hope I have gotten better with much more time on the water. I don't see it as a 6 buoy handicap When competing for a title. It should be the same.

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