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There's the action item nugget in the entire thread: "generally very few skiers are even attempting to maintain full load through their edge change. Most have started to decrease their lean relative to the water well before the second wake and they have very little load to play with when edge changing."

@Mastercrafter After his second set, I let him know he could borrow a handle as I wouldn’t pull him on that handle!! I didn’t have any hold harmless agreements for him to sign at the dock. It was gnarly in person.

Now that the season is over, I haven't followed this thread or evaluated if anyone took the bet. Do I owe anyone expense scotch?

@jjackkrash Pretty cool youve got a line directly from the source! That’s cool. What’s your height, line length/speed and weight?

Are you in Florida? if so, I'll take it, I mean if it's in driving distance.

Yes, it would be a hinderance. This is a game of confidence, fixing flaws and being able to make mistakes. Skiers that improve, don't have to always be "perfect" on high end gear but have a cushion to stay upright and keep working. /forum#/discussion/27325/higher-end-skis-at-lower-speed Skiers trying to run those passes you describe need a Radar Senate C type of ski. Also, be careful who you take advice from. It's like taking financial advice from a broke person.

Are you running a single puck or dual? It makes a difference in other areas.

" Are we all crazy down here" Short answer, yes. Long answer, laughable justification of cheapasses who don't want to spend the money. We've got a 2019 200 with the 6.0L and right at 350 hours. It's been the best combination of engine to hull to zero off, I've ever owned. (~8 nautiques and 2 mastercrafts). Skis better then any 200 we've ever had. Very nice lean-reward-release torque curve. The 200 with the 6.0 is probably one of the better setups with the torque curve matching the hull drag. All the "issues" you mention above, personally never heard of those issues in south Florida or even other areas. Nautique swapped out our fuse box but that's it. Meanwhile, most folks in south Florida are looking for the 6.0 not avoiding it. Aren't you the guys who complained about the gas inlet nozzle on like 6-8 boats of various years and said they all "sucked" but yet nobody else had the problem and the constant was ya'll and your methods?

@tjs1295 It’s a misnomer of communication, perception and camera angles issue. “Stand tall” Top of gate Second spray to buoyline. Spray to spray: Knees are driving FORWARD towards toes while trying to elongate the body AWAY from the boat. It’s not tall vertical, it’s tall at a45 degree lean off the edge of the ski. It doesn’t look “tall” as that word is measuring the distance from water vertically. But if you do some Google search of non from the boat pictures , you’ll see what I mean. Most amateurs, usually 28-35, bend their knees crossing the boat but drive their ass backwards then look squatty and ski in the 80% belle curve, average. Then out to the buoyline, they’re still squatting on the ski. I call them “squat and pull guys”. Nearly every video posted on this site of skiers getting feedback, they are squatting and pulling. Hence why they are stuck. The “bend your knees” coaching has probably hurt more peoples development then helped. Look at the review pictures from horton in his skis, see how tall he is outbound? That’s ideal.

I don’t know who the little leprechaun guy in the click baitesque video is but that’s a great tip regarding the chest puffing out etc. Back in the day “proud chest”. Great stuff. I’m going to add that into the repoetiore next time I go around some boo-es.

tomorrow?

There is a reason that radar, brooks, Rini and team have spent years designing testing and successfully deploying skis like Senate-C type of wider more forgiving skis. When learning to ski, we want the easiest gear to learn on. We’re learning fundamentals not high end rhythm, swing and energy efficiency. Sure buoys can be run on high end skis but why not have every advantage to succeed. There’s also a reason why the pro guys don’t ride mid-tier skis. Ymmv.

Buoys bikinis and beer! Inspiring. I’ve got emails out to owners on SIA. I might just bite the bullet and buy both models and see what fits my style/size. Then resell the other one. We’ll see. Look forward to seeing some new video though. Let’s run buoys regardless.

How’d the new settings go? Can you post some video of either skis? I see the c75 is $400 and the c-85 is $1500. So I’m seeing if I can do this on a tight budget.

@VONMAN What would you say the main differences in the 75 and 85 are? I am torn between trying which one. Can you post some video of either one? Regardless of fin settings. Thanks.

weird. i scrolled through this whole thread and there is not a name sign to any of the posts. And you're right no profile. OHHH NATE BOUDREAUX, that guy that snail mail spams me 2x a week with weird post cards asking about my history and profile. Half my recycle bin is filled with those worthless things.

It's interesting the usawaterski person does not post their name. Did some digging, found their picture.

Why not evolve with modern coaching? /forum#/discussion/27202/how-to-turn-a-slalom-ski Then use the givego application? Post some video of you in the course? What octane are you running in your boat?

90% of the time, bad idea and a band aid. Actually more like a denial tool. 90% of the time, the slow boat speed is going to mask, negate or soften your fundamentals. Why would you not want to know your fundamental issues are so you could fix them?? The 10% of the time: Say you are trying to build confidence as you get to 5 ball and tightening up then missing the pass? soften it to show yourself the line length is conquerable. The above case is rare though. In todays society, usually skiers only listen to what they want to hear or are chasing the latest magic ski that some guy runs shortline in his backyard on or are lying to themselves speeding the boat up by 0.1 increments. The bottom line, this is a sport of fundamentals. Unfortunately the next pass/line length or speed might not take the same keys to success. Hence, a break down in the fundamentals is always holding us back.

Great video but you would have reached troll level mastery if you almost didn't start laughing at 2:34 and then at 2:45.

@C5Quest Have you got any video? I’m working on similar and interested on what’s working. What about if you use or do the givego coaching app?

Gibbs Lake was active for a while. Basically in Newport News. The eastern shoreline was pretty good. very deep lake. Mike Ohara used to live/ski there. Not sure where he is now. Some reason I think southside of the James River there was a lake. Or maybe up in Yorktown area?

In the new boats with 5.3-6.0-6.2 engines: Highly recommend B1 as a starting point. The exception is a single puck Nautique, I’d start at A1 then slide it from there. Dual pucks, B2 for all boats is a great easy setting to start with. There’s also a reason why the majority of 34mph short line skiers are B or A and not C. Rarely would recommend C unless the skier is quite advanced and a strong edge changer second spray outbound.

@MattP Spot on regarding the rebound. As a taller skinny goofy guy, this is where I felt it, off second spray. Basically in south Florida the chatter was the differential of: Soft to load-Quick to unload Quick to load-Soft to unload. I can't stand the #1 of above which were the gimmick ropes, i mean optimized ropes.

Gotta love 'Merica!