Baller tfriess Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 So, here in Wisconsin, the lakes are getting colder, and school has begun. This makes me think of the offseason. I am 15, tall and lengthy and in need of some ways to improve my body during the offseason. I see all of the pros are super ripped. I know the core and arms are some of the main components to a strong skiing body. Are there any exercises/parts of the body I should be focusing on to help me get in shape? I work out 3 days a week. Would it help to go for a jog everyday to improve my endurance? Any ideas, greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanEla Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Indoor rowing helps a lot more than jogging -- it's a great workout and hits more of the muscles we use while skiing. Speed skating strikes me as another fruitful pasture to explore also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boarditup Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 You want to be both strong and light. A body builder physique is of no help in waterskiing. P90X, Intensity, Crossfit, etc. all will help you build powerful, lean muscle without bulk. You need the entire body fit. Look at Nate, Chris, Regina, and April. Overall in great shape with incredible core strength. As for indoor rowing - excellent choice. However, if you don't have the rower, look at your gym and a low cable station and use that. Moderate weight, high reps (50-100) before failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taelan28 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 It will be the off season. It takes a week to get dull and two weeks to be really out of shape. It also takes 6 weeks to get in shape and the off season is November to April. Take a rest. You're also only 15. You're body is going through growth spurts, you will never be so naturally lean and slender. Unless you really really work at it there wont be any pudge to lose before the next season. You'll bounce into shape in 4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skigirl Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 Agree 100% with the rowing suggested. I love the TRX suspension system and rip trainer. Lots of core with every exercise. And I love working out with kettlebells, but should be trained on the correct form first. If near Madison, there is a good gym that has all of the above. Also, if you don't have one already, get a drysuit. It will extend the WI season through October and can start early May, maybe even earlier depending on when the ice goes off your lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 I love all the talk about using the indoor rower, as a competitive rower and coach I will say this first. Please look up proper technique to using the machine as well as proper resistance I have seen more people than I can count at the gym using the machine in a way that is more detrimental to their body than the workout they are doing is going to help them. I will try and find some videos that are good at explaining what you should be doing/feeling while on the erg. If you have any questions about it just fire away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted September 12, 2012 Supporting Member Share Posted September 12, 2012 Personally, I would rank broad groups with the following importance: 1) Core. Even more true for shortline. Critical for managing what happens on the outbound arc, which is super-important for shortline skiing. 2) Stability. Anything you can do in an unstable position to engage tiny balancing muscles will pay huge dividends. This stuff can seem pretty unmanly, but suck it up! 3) Flexibility. Key both to success and injury prevention. 4) Legs. This is the power for the acceleration phase. 5) Upper Back. (Lower back I lump in with core, but upper back is handy too just to be able to hold on for lots of passes.) 6) Aerobic. Endurance is handy for training, even though not really needed on a single pass. Also, aerobic work can keep weight down, which is a very good thing. 7) Arms. I see a lot of people with ripped arms whose technique really suffers as a result. Pulling on the rope with your biceps is nearly always a bad thing. Although I don't do it personally (at least not yet), stuff like Power Yoga and Pilates really fits the bill for the top 3 above. P90X and Crossfit also seem like great programs. Personally I have a little trouble with the psychology of working with a trainer, so I just make stuff up based on the priorities above. But I bet if I dedicated an entire off-season to serious Crossfit, I would pick up a few buoys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 Personally I have a little trouble with the psychology of working with a trainer, so I just make stuff up based on the priorities above. @Than. It's all about finding the right trainer. Someone who "gets" you, understands your goals, can communicate with you clearly, and who has the knowledge and ability to work around whatever issues you may have (rebuilt shoulders and bum knees in my case) to find positive ways to strengthen the stuff you need to strengthen to help you make your "issues" better without hurting you or making the issues even worse. I had to work through several to find the one I work with now, been with her almost two years now and wouldn't be in near the overall condition I'm in with out her. My son is a certified personal trainer and a damn good one too. During the winter I do strength workouts with him once a week and he totally kicks my butt every time (Love it!). For the stuff I need to work specifically on for strengthing my surgically rebuilt shoulders and knees, for some reason I'm better with my own trainer than with my son. Not as sympathetic to old Dad's maladies perhaps... A good trainer pushes you in ways you'll never push yourself, will make you work the things you unconsiously avoid (i.e. due to previous injury, it's uncomfortable to you, stuff you don't know/realize, etc) that you really NEED to be working, and will push you out of your comfort zone and your same-old-same-old routines. Maybe you personally don't need that, but the vast majority of us do need someone to take us where we won't go ourselves. It's paid huge dividends for me, I likely wouldn't still be skiing without the knowledge and nudging of a good trainer helping me to keep myself motivated and fit. Yeah it's a bit of an investment, but as the saying goes "Exersize is Medicine". I can pay to get fit or I can pay (more) for medications and health care because I've allowed myself to become unfit. I'll take the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 All good. I agree that core is critical, and like Ed I've had a few surgeries (four shoulders, two knees, ruptured biceps tendon, neck). What that means is that I have to pay attention to joint stability which means balance exercises and slow, controlled full range of movement exercises. Because I have a great physical therapist and have been through multiple rehabs, I know what I need to do to help prevent injury and be strong behind the boat. What I can tell you is that the "fun" weightlifting stuff isn't what makes you a strong skier. I love fun weightlifting like benchpress, bicep curls, etc. However, having a big chest and arms will not help your skiing (trust me, I know). You want lean power, which comes from maximizing muscle density, not size. Slow controlled movements in the 10-12 rep range are very good for that. Think a 2 count on the contraction phase, 4 count on the extension phase. For example, if you are bench pressing, press up to a 2 count, and bring it down to a 4 count. Also, anything you can do standing on one foot or on a bosu ball is great. Combine that with exercises like stand on one foot and do a set of curls one arm at a time with a single dumbell. Do the same with lat raises, overhead press, etc. Do these with a slight knee bend, not a locked knee. You want to engage the ankle, knee, hip and core. The more free-standing exercises you can do vs. being on a machine the better. My focus this offseason will be entirely on lean power. Whereas I normally gain 10 lbs of muscle every winter in the gym, I plan to drop about 7lbs while working on increasing my core strength and joint stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 @tfriess at 15 and tall and lengthy you probably need to work on balance, indo board and Yoga stick to the basics for weights, squats, bench press and deadlifts, these three will do more for your "core" than the 1000's of dumb exercises created for this trending phrase. For the winter stay in a 3-5 set 6-8 rep range, strength is something to build on in winter, and your not going to get bulky in that rep range, other exercises in the 3 set/15-20 rep range can be added to make a solid 3 day a week workout... Cardio, you probably don't need it too much for actual weight loss but running is the ticket, makes you tough, there is no better cardio workout...for you, do H.I.I.T. with your running, more representative for skiing applications... AND EAT CLEAN...all the working out in the world isn't going to do squat if you do not fuel properly... Can be more informative and detailed if you need in regards to workout and diet, just send me a PM if interested... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 Crossfit will really build up your endurance and strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klundell Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I picked up more than a full pass the summer after an offseason of crossfit. Lean power with balance and speed is exactly what you want. Crossfit is great at this because they don't do isolation movements only functional movements. I love the olympic lifts (which are a big part of crossfit) because they require speed, balance, and power through a dynamic range of motion using a lot of pulling muscles. Almost sounds like waterskiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 Yeah, what @klundell said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 @MattP do you have some direction on the web to where I can find some info on proper technique? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 @Chef23 I will look for some stuff tonight when I get home from the lake tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller3536 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 @tfriess join the Football or Wrestling team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klundell Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 @MattP please post any rowing technique stuff here. The only rowing technique I've got is from what I've gleaned from a few videos on journal.crossfit.com. It sounds like they know what they are talking about but I wouldn't know the difference. By the way I agree with all the stuff about rowing. I wish I could drop the dough to get one in my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted September 12, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 @bmiller3536 haha good joke I'm hearing a lot about crossfit, but I'm not familiar with what it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boarditup Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 www.crossfit.com Marcus Brown's girlfriend, Jenny LeBaw, just came in 4th at a competition. She can set you up with a program. Contact through Marcus Brown's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 @klundell, checkout www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/training/technique-videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller T_C Posted September 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 12, 2012 OB hit the nail on the head. As a personal trainer I can pretty much assure you that it is impossible to get maximum results working out on your own. Your brain will tell you to stop long before your muscles are fatiqued. Even using programs such as P90X will not get you the the last three reps that are required for muscle development. Unless you are working to exhaustion you will not get the results you are looking for. In addition, having a set appointment with a trainer will help keep you from finding an excuse not to work out. Even doing cardio without a plan is a waste of time. Your body adapts quickly to the loads you place on it and you need to vary time, intensity and muscle group involvement to keep improving. Find a trainer the is a skier and you will pick up bouys. My 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 13, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2012 I have been working with Jenny Labaw since February and it has worked out great for me. Having to be accountable is great and the variety of workouts is excellent. I definitely work harder based on my programs from Jenny than I ever did on my own. I have lost 30 pounds, gained strength and got through our ski season healthy after coming off a ruptured disk last summer. Mt ranking average is up 5 buoys off my last full season. I am excited to see what kind of shape I can get in with a full off season and a better fitness baseline then translate that into skiing performance. Jenny's website is www.jennylabaw.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rayn Posted September 13, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2012 +1 on Jenny. I started working with Jenny a little before @Chef23 and recommended he start with her. I thought I was in pretty good shape and just trying to shake it up. I got a whole lot more than I bargained for. For me, my weight is the same, but I have dropped 2 inches around my waist and untold % of body fat. Because Jenny is closely involved in what it takes to water ski at the highest level, she can tailor your workouts to the sport and your individual needs. I was just talking about this today, and one of the things I like most is: you get a sheet of daily workouts detailed for 2 weeks at a time and you just go in and do it, no thinking about what you should do, how many, how to do it. There is an expectation about reporting back and in some weird way I feel totally accountable to Jenny for workout performance, like I do not want to let her down. She somehow provides motivation through the ether. Would it be better to workout with her 6 days a week, I am sure it would(it would be cool just to hang out with her and Marcus), but this is definitely the next best thing to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member wski1831 Posted September 13, 2012 Supporting Member Share Posted September 13, 2012 Crossfit is really good. They are good at teaching and making sure you use good technic. When you get to the work out of the day know your limits. My attitude is that I do this to keep doing all the things I like to do, and don't want another venue to get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 13, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted September 13, 2012 You are 15 and have lots of options. BBall, Hockey an all kinds of team sports that you can get into. If you go to the weight room, you will need to do everything and not just zone in on a few lifts like bench or curls. Get into something that develops the whole body and leaves nothing behind. Biking is great, look at Ski Dawg, JB and Mapple. Mix it up and do it all. Ski, Climb, bike and hike all work on the core balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 13, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2012 At 15 I agree with @MS. I would find a team sport you love and supplement it with gym work. Focus on exercises that work multiple parts of the body and do some pull ups. Mountain biking is a great overall workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Garn Posted September 13, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2012 @Klundell - Crossfit looks pretty intense which I love. But how would it be for someone with a history of lower back problems (bulging disk in L4 and L5)? Don't you do a lot of weighted squats and deadlifts? Garn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klundell Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 @Garn - I think the safety of crossfit depends completely on the trainer at your local crossfit box. I've been to some that are great, they won't let you get away with crappy form and help you know your limits when you are working with an injury. I've seen others that just want to see you lift as much weight as fast as you can regardless of form and that is not the answer. I would check out several gyms close to you and see which one fits you the best. That being said as a Chiropractor I think Squats and Deadlifts, when done properly, are very beneficial for the low back and can help you not only recover from a low back problem but can prevent future low back problems. (If I could get all my patients to squat and deadlift some moderate weight they would be a lot healthier.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted September 13, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2012 @Garn I had back surgery almost a year ago (ruptured disk L5/S1) and starting in February I have been working with a trainer that is very crossfit centric and I do squats and deadlifts. I started out very light working on technique and slowly ramped the weight up. Squats and deadlifts build tremendous back strength and the stronger my back gets the better it feels. I am not a doctor but I think if done properly squats and deadlifts are ultimately good for your back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted September 13, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted September 13, 2012 @MS I play hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillBartonOldAccount Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Concept 2 rower, cross fit, deadlift, and core (the whole core, not just the front). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted September 14, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2012 12 oz curls will get you in pear shape. Mix in texting and tweeting on those electronic doodads and you can waste oodles of time while developing pinkie power to hold onto that handle . Just kidding! Seriously though, for me the best core exercise ever was wrestling. A match is six minutes of full body hell to survive. Or pick something fun. Stay active. Mix it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted September 14, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2012 I don't want to wrestle with @thager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted September 14, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2012 @Razorskier1 And I'm OK with that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 14, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted September 14, 2012 @tfriess Hockey Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 454SS Posted September 14, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2012 Train like a sprinter would light and strong, focus on rear posterior chain, core strength, and flexibility. Afterall skiing the course is kinda like a sprint. Almost more important is diet, make sure you are eating the correct foods to allow your muscles to recover or else working out is wasting your effort. Lastly sleep is important for recovery as well in other words don't stay up til 2 a.m. playing video games. My advice start participating in track and field, any other sport cant hurt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 454SS Posted September 14, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2012 If you don't know where to start join track and field they are most likely starting to train over the winter months. Wrestling is another good option as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller xrated Posted September 14, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2012 At 15 years of age I wouldn't even sweat gaining muscle or strength, just worry about staying in shape. I was a scrawny kid all through school (OK still a small guy) but there is no way my body was ready for hitting weights or anything hard at 15. If you are gonna hit the weight room I'd just do easy enough weights and focus on endurance as said above. For what it is worth I graduated high school at 115. 2 years later I started hitting a gym hard. Went to 145 and it was lots of work to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted September 14, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2012 @xrated What kind of beer was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller xrated Posted September 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 17, 2012 @thager I can't recall and I know I just had my last one. Wheatgrass Ale maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMac Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Find out what Nate Smith does to bulk up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tfriess Posted September 17, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted September 17, 2012 @JoeMac I would love to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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