Baller skibug Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Yeah, we just need and electric boat...oh wait...someone does have one. Do you think the government would have incentive plans for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 8, 2013 Supporting Member Share Posted August 8, 2013 Global warming would rock if only a) it were actually warmer as opposed to just more volatile and b) we could pick where it got warmer. Way too cold for August here in MA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 BTW...it is no longer "Global Warming"....it is "Climate Change" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 8, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted August 8, 2013 back on topic please Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 8, 2013 Chuck Norris makes it warmer by walking into the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 The fuel claims are based on what comparison? Which prop? I switched the prop on my 200 to the 654 and have noticed we are not filling it up any more than a MC or Centurion at tournaments. Plus I'm putting a lot less gas in it this year. Companies always compare their best case scenario to the others worst case. Vehicle Mfg's do it all the time. It is all marketing. I think the new MC has a lot of great looking features. But I always wait to see it in person and ski behind it until I make a decision. Heard it might be at the Diablo Shores Pro Am, be nice to check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 8, 2013 Author Administrators Share Posted August 8, 2013 to frame the fuel consumption question differently => as I understand it the new ProStar has much less drag than the 200. Last drag means less work for the engine so less fuel burn. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJOJprop Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 New prop design as well on the Prostar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 OK, let's get off the gas topic and just ask the questions about performance. Does it ski better than its competition? Does it drive better than its competition? If the answer is..."It is equivelant"..than at least MC has caught up with the competition and it makes the overall market place more competitive in terms of performance; which, should help the economics of keeping prices a little lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @skibug Two people(and neither is Horton) that have skied behind it have told me separately that the wake is phenomenal. They started at 22off 34mph and shortened from there. Said the 22 and 28off wake is essentially nothing, as compared to the 197 wake which was a knee breaker at 22 and 28. Even my current '13 200 has a pretty stiff 22 wake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 8, 2013 Well that sound encouraging. If the release date is October, can we expect any floating around here in FL for some late tournaments.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @ShaneH, Agreed that the 22'off on our 2009 MC 197 TT (sold it in March) was like hitting a brick wall, 28 was better. Our '12 TXi and SN200's ('11 & '13) have a noticeable wake at 22' off; but very manageable & nothing like the MC. My wife skis at 30 - 32 mph @ 15' & 22' off; to her the TXi is hands down better than the MC. If the new MC is a cut above, it may be a consideration when we are looking in another 2 - 3 years; it will all probably come down to price in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 I will strongly be looking at the 22 OFF wake as well. From the video posted @34 mph - it looks like a DREAM to ski behind. For my wife thatwake at 22 OFF is a BIG deal - and for my two daughters who hopefully will be skiing addicts (4-5 yrs from now) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 8, 2013 Why change the wake? If you ski in proper position, you will go right through the wake with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopold Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I'm quite interested in the cover of the bow. Anybody knows how does it work? Is it storable in the boat? Easy to remove? I have to say, as a Nautique fan for more than 25 years that this is the first time I really want a MC. Well, I don't want it, I NEED it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bishop8950 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Looking forward to skier feedback at 38/39. I hope they ditched the ditch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @ms - there is a correlation with how much you weigh though. I am about 10 lbs heavier this ski season and I don't notice my monster wake at 22 OFF nearly as much as I did last year. My wife REALLY feels it when she gets launched - even when the ski is on edge (which isn't always). Some of it seems to be mental too - that smaller wake just builds confidence when you aren't getting "thrown" out of position from a hard, big wake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogboy Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 @Leopold, I thought of bow- boat cover also, but I don't think it will be an issue at all. I think the proper cover will pull tight with no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopold Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 @bogboy, I was talking about the new hard cover. For me it's quite interesting, I don't like open bows but I understand that some times they are quite practical and here you have both worlds. Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 8, 2013 @skoot I posted in jest. Every time this subject comes up, you have the defenders saying that. Mrs.Ms hates the current MC and wanted to buy one just to practice behind it so she would be ready for it at events. It will be great if all 4 boats are now on the same level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chuck_Dickey Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @Leopold Jaret Llewellyn posted on FB "ya it folds up, store your gear, take it off, put seats in, your choice! 3 hours ago · Like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogboy Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 @Leopold, oh, I didn't even realize that the boats are an o.b, with a hard bow cover. I thought they were either, or. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 If the hull has lower drag and consumes less gas it will also mean less engine wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 8, 2013 I hope the trick wake is great. I did not like the 197 for tricking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 I never tricked behind our 197 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Where are the tricker impressions and marketing pics, etc.? I see Marcus, I see Freddy, I don't see any trickers... I am quite certain that the wake will rock at 34/36 & 15 off through 43 off. I am also quite certain it will pull jump solidly. What I really want to hear is testimonials from these folks: 1) Trick Skiers - top level 2) Trick Skiers - mid/lower level (16-18MPH, >2500 points) Also... 3) Slalom B1/G1 skiing at 19 MPH, LL & -15 4) Slalom beginners skiing at 24-28 MPH -15 5) Slalom beginners skiing at 28-32 MPH -15 If MC gets rave testimonials from those skiers into their marketing portfolios, they will probably outsell all other boats in the coming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Yup, kids and wives drive the decisions if it is a ski family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Does anyone trick any longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller webbdawg99 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 I second what @ToddL said. My wife is just learning to ski. She ran the mini-course last week behind our club's 200 at 22mph. I took her to another lake last night and pulled her at 22 mph behind a 197. Needless to say, she didn't experience the same success she had behind the 200. The first thing she said was how big and difficult the wakes were to traverse. Keep in mind, this was coming from someone who had been in the course 4 times. Even a complete rookie can tell the difference. The 200 is WAY more beginner friendly. I hope this is something that is improved upon in this newest generation of ProStars. It needs to be better for ALL skiers....not just shortline guys. The biggest problem I see is the conflict between slow slalom skiers and trick skiers. We need one boat to give 2 distinctive wake characteristics at a similar speed. Nautique accomplished this with the "slalom/trick mode" lever. I dont see how else this can be accomplished. Does the new ProStar have some type of similar adjustment that can be made to adjust for slalom and trick skiers? I didn't notice anything in the photos to indicate that it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller webbdawg99 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @Killer What do you dislike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted August 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 8, 2013 my 2012 MC 190 right now uses about 25% less fuel that the CC200 that's usually at our events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Murrski Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Waterski Mag Photos - Sorry if redundant to another post MasterCraft was the first company to introduce the pickle-fork bow to the inboard world in 2003 with the X-Star. For 2014, they do it with the ProStar and up the ante with the first open and closed bow boat all-in-one. The fiberglass bow can easily be removed depending on your needs. http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/TOD1506.jpg Beauty on the water, the new ProStar has a distinct look that instantly grabs your attention. http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/TOD1516.jpg A transom view of the ProStar's running surface. http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/TOD1567.jpg Ilmor's new 6.2 liter engine is the upgraded power plant of the ProStar and was built specifically for the high demands of the world's best jumpers. MasterCraft says slalom skiers will lean more toward their 5.7 liter engine. http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/IMG_1869.jpg Pro driver Will Bush's input into the ProStar's helm was crucial in creating a world-class space to give the driver the best opportunity to provide the best pull possible. We really like the reclining captain's chair and the way the boat tracks razor tight through the course. http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/IMG_1870.jpg An ergonomically designed observer's seat comfortably accommodates three passengers and half of the seat folds down for easy access to the bow. http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/IMG_1871.jpg Simple, functional ski racks keep your skis safe and out of way on each side of the boat. http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/IMG_1873.jpg You almost don't even have to ski it to believe because this photo alone says a ton about the world-class ski-ability of the new ProStar. Pancake flat, no trough, and extremely soft wakes are what you get. We tested a full range of rope lengths from 15 to 39 1/2 off, and the wakes are consistently world-class for beginners and experts alike. http://waterskimag.com/files/2013/08/wake.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwillygood Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 i think the 200's trick wake is awful, i really hope the MC has a good trick wake because i love tricking behind our '12 197. Personally i don't really notice that much of a difference when slaloming behind different boats. Yes i the 200 is pretty flat but i really dont feel anything different behind a MC, Malibu or Centurion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Killer Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @webbdawg99 I didn't want to comment because I think all the negative speculation takes away from what appears to be an incredible advancement for our sport (Any new boat is really a great thing for our sport) and overall detraction from what appears to be a fantastic launch and major labor of love for so many during the evolution of the new prostar. You've never tricked behind it, 99.9% of us have never even seen it and honestly like Shane says; does anyone even trick anymore? Why would any boat builder build a boat with trick skiing top of mind? it has a wake right? go ski... Ive skied behind all the modern 3 event boats, including a ZO 197 when I was a 15off skier at slow speeds normally using a 196 and PP; Anyone that says "its awful" is exaggerating immensely, and frankly needs to find something more important to worry about. The Prostar 197 is an incredible towboat, and a nicer boat that most skiers will either ever be able to ski behind or own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller webbdawg99 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @Killer I disagree with you 100% on multiple fronts. This is a 3 event boat. It has to be competitive as a 3 event boat. Period. And I stick by the fact that the slalom wake on a 197 at slow speeds is awful....(even though I never said that). I was genuinely concerned about my rookie wife catching a tip off the wake and faceplanting. Its just honest facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller webbdawg99 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @cwillygood According to @Killer, MasterCraft and every other boat manufacturer doesn't care about your trick skiing. "Why would any boat builder build a boat with trick skiing top of mind? it has a wake right? go ski..." I was actually standing up for trick skiers....even though I strictly slalom. I was merely pointing out the difficulty of having one boat that will be satisfactory for all skiers. You reiterated my point. You love the wake for tricking behind the 197. The slow speed slalom skiers do not. Difficult thing to balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Killer Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @webbdawg99 where did I say they don't care about tricking? is that what "top of mind" means to you? sheeeesh, tough crowd!!!! I never even owned a mastercraft and rarely ski behind them, and I dont trick ski, like most skiers... Hence why a boat MFG wont have trick skiing top of mind - they sell boats to people. I'll stand by my original statement that the 197 is an EXCELLENT TOWBOAT. there is no reason to think the new prostar wont be either and we've yet to hear about anyone tricking behind it, so you're speculating in a negative way with no knowledge behind it. Somehow we skied behind boats with much larger, harder wakes, with spray you could feel on your face at 28off, and exhaust you could taste, yet in those days millions more skied and didn't whine and complain about the miniscule difference in wake from 1 boat to another the day the boat was introduced to the public... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwillygood Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 @webbdawg99 i think either way there will be people complaining about something....haters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 8, 2013 If no one cares about tricking, then just bring back the 196. There will never be a slalom boat like it until its brought back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I volunteer to ski this boat at -15 32mph and compare it against the other boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 The wake looks fantastic. To me, it resembles the '91-'94 hull, perhaps with a smaller rooster bump though - and no spray. Getting that wake out of a boat this size seems incredible to me. A special thanks to Marcus, Freddy and Will for all the hours and hard work! I'm sure it's a labor of love, but it certainly can't be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aussiemc Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 MC has tricking in their thoughts, they are, after all selling a 3 event boat. A statement the MC CEO made to me last week was "we'll have to do something to get a better trick wake". "perhaps a wedge of some sort". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 I like the way it looks but am disappointed it is so big. Has anyone seen a price for one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brady Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 What gave me a huge smile was the fact that this boat just became a better Lake Powell boat!!! When the waves kick up, I will simply close the hood and it becomes a closed-bow! How friggin genious is that!!!! I have been sitting here salivating and figuring out how that boat will be in my garage come spring! "Honey, I am sorry, but the cars gotta go, so does your hair appointments, as well as dinner, and hell, maybe even the house.....Daddy needs a new ride!!!!!!" Beautiful creation!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LakeOneSkier Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Looks like the 'hips' and the windshield came from the '59 Red Fish... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ctsmith Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Am I the only softy that often utilizes a grab handle on the transom? I dig the teak platform (hint, hint, Nautique) Haven't warmed up to the superficial picklefork and hips. Love the tidy interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 The upholstery is about the only thing I don't care for in the pictures, that and the bolster-less lazy boy looking drivers seat. What is with the butt groove that is already in the seat, or is that from someone sitting on their foot to get a comfortable height? The bow cover is beautiful, if someone would start making those after market for some of the other boats I'll bet they would sell quite a few. The racks are another great addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 delete - figured out the edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Driver seat and motor box are not final versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Mrs_MS Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm so happy and I can not wait to ski behind it! :)))))))))))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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