Baller_ MISkier Posted August 16, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted August 16, 2020 @vtmecheng, you need at least 3 zip ties connecting the two panels (kind of like a hinge). Otherwise, your arm can punch right between them and will be entrapped. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 16, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted August 16, 2020 one piece is design is best and a connection to the handle is also good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted August 16, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2020 I needed a two piece design to clear my handle loop. Also, I tried to punch through it really hard and couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Killer Posted August 16, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2020 @vtmecheng what is the material you used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted August 16, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted August 16, 2020 @vtmecheng, you can still fold the handle at the panels with some zip ties there. It will just rotate on those tie loops. They don't need to be tight, just there to provide a block to prevent a hand-sized item from going through. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted August 16, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2020 @Killer it's from a square plastic cat litter bucket I got from a neighbor. Only cost was zip ties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted August 16, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2020 @MISkier I tried getting my hand in there without gloves on and didn't get past my fingers without serious force. With gloves on it would be even harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DaveD Posted August 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2020 You might want to replace those zip ties with black ones. The clear ones don't hold up to UV and will turn brittle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted August 17, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted August 17, 2020 @DaveD is right. I use the Ty-Rap zip ties. In addition to being UV resistant with a good tensile strength, they seem to be strong enough to stand up to the razor sharp edge of a Goode ski. I've cut the thinner black ties on deepwater starts. Search Amazon for "Ty-Rap TY524MX 2-Piece Standard Cable Tie, 5-1/2 in L x 0.14 in W x 0.05 in THK, Nylon" You should be able to by a pack of 100 for $12.50. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted August 18, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 18, 2020 Thanks for the tips on zip ties. I have a few other ideas after a couple sets with this. I'll post once I have a gen 2. For now, this works and I just want to ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stefan Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 My home made version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 Note: Being "black" does not mean a wire tie is UV resistant. Having additional chemicals added to the plastic is what makes them UV resistant, and the packaging will say they are UV resistant. Otherwise, you simply changed colors. They will also cost more. That said, not sure UV resistant is that important if you don't leave your handle lying in the sun for extended periods. We have found our wire ties used on buoy anchor lines begin to fail after about 5 years of everyday, all year exposure to the sun, filtered a bit by the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted August 19, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted August 19, 2020 @Zman, everywhere I have used white zip ties, they have become brittle and have broken very quickly - even under a buoy underwater and out of the light. I haven't had any issue with black zip ties. I must be buying the UV protected versions by coincidence. The difference in longevity between the two is startling - to the point I would never buy a white zip tie for anything. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 @MISkier Can't argue with results. We use black as well. The cheap ones, not UV rated. Better life probably has to do with other plastic additives that you cannot add to plastic and still be almost clear plastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 I'll change the ties out at the end of the year when I buy a new handle. The current setup should last through October. I played with how it is tied, trying some different ways to run the zip ties. I like how I currently have it and I did add one between the top and bottom because they are a bit more apart with how I have them set now. Using the cheap ties was good for experimenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 19, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 paracord is best! with a guard its not if my head can get it the yoke its can a chin or anything other body part get in the gap all I got in the yoke was my chin and it dam near killed me my guard was like stephens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 @Deanoski I don't understand how a paracord guard is better than a hard plastic one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 19, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 @vtmecheng para cord instead of zip ties here is the guard I was using. pictured is my new handle guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MNshortliner Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ballsohard Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 Do people that got the Intow head guard ever also put other safety guards on their handle below it or is it unnecessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted August 19, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2020 @teammalibu I'm currently doing one for my Ergo handle like yours. I think yours need to be bigger though, that gap is still too big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted August 21, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 21, 2020 @rockdog I’m thinking the same thing about the spacing... I just used cable ties, but paracord would work also. I have 12”, 13” and v2 guards available, using a stiffer material that will not flex as much as some. Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted August 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 22, 2020 @rockdog my only concern is that my head can not go through the handle! I have narrowed up the space on the curved ergo handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 22, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted August 22, 2020 @teammalibu I just got my chin stuck in the gap for 1 second and lucky to have lived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skimtb Posted August 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 22, 2020 I tried duct tape. Maybe it was cheap tape, but that lasted 1/2 of a morning. Upgraded to gutter guard. That lasted a few outings before starting to rip at the little ends. And adding more zip ties than shown in the pic Just got the @mmosley899 / MOB guards. Seems perfect. Very rigid and opening is just under 3” which seems right. Thanks Mike. Oh, thanks to whoever said to use nail clippers on the zip ties. That plus a little emery cloth sanding is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 22, 2020 Um...why isn’t this stuff OEM? Well designed on the handle straight from the manufacturer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted August 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 22, 2020 I make mine out of Rubbermaid - size and shape I want. As far as I know they are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 23, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted August 23, 2020 The Homer Guard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 23, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted August 23, 2020 @Jody_Seal that is a great guard!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGerald3 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Genius Jodster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kc Posted September 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 @mmosley899 I tried one of your guards yesterday that I got from a friend. Nice product, but I managed to hit it with my knuckles a couple of times and misgrab. Any chance of making one/some less deep? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted September 4, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 @kc One or two more sets and you will forget its there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted September 5, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 5, 2020 @kc I have made several different versions and I can help you find one that works. Which one did you try out? Email or message me your details. Anyone else can also let me know if you need something different. I want everyone to be safe! Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted September 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 26, 2020 Maybe the title of this thread should be, How My Reflex Pre-release Nearly Ended My Life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted September 26, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted September 26, 2020 @Drago correct, I should of had the Din or spring tighter I was on 5 1/2 I also used the old 400 and 404 release the new 850 release was on my ski since april with no issues first prerelease in 14 yrs. the new 850 release lighter then the older heels. no more mechanical release bindings for me Ho animal or T factor is in my future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted September 27, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 27, 2020 The T-factor is money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stefan Posted November 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 22, 2020 Home modified InTow handle to make even more safe than having just the crossbar that this handle was bought with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted November 22, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted November 22, 2020 New handle for 21 season and a T factor FB No more mechanical releases for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted November 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 22, 2020 Handle guards keep your head out of the handle Y, but some have had problems with the chin (alone) getting in between the guard and the bar. Is it true that a stiff, inflexible guard will push the handle out of the way when the chin hits it thereby preventing the chin from getting in (as well as the head)?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted November 22, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted November 22, 2020 @dbutcher I believe in you are correct a soft guard can catch your chin , it happen to me 2020 July 18th I from now on will use a hard plastic guard, is the hopes of ever needing it again. but if needed it will deflect away with a hard plastics material everyone should use a handle guard IMO, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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