Baller KRoundy Posted October 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2020 @ALPJr You mean that before the internet people didn’t complain about this type of thing? ? I think we all know that’s not true. Someone mentioned that dentist (wondering if I remember that detail correctly?) who suddenly held a world record some years ago. I think that controversy was written about in WSM. The internet just makes it easier to instantly voice our thoughts to an audience of anyone who wants to listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted October 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2020 Sorry @KRoundy--not even close to the same topic ...the dentist was an outright lie and cheat of moving courses, and never would he shorten the rope anywhere but his home site, and on top of that , he looked like sheet skiing. Many people knew it wasn't legit, just had to wait for the opportunity to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller hammerski Posted October 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2020 When I watched the tournament I was amazed watching the boat path for the skiers in slomo replay. I took a mental note with just about every one of the top skiers. Hats off to the drivers, super straight and great driving! The good scores might have something to do with water temps in FL cooling down a little. I’ve heard some of the lakes ski really well this time of year. Great skiing, fun to watch, nice job on the broadcast team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller drew Posted October 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2020 @liquid d I agree with your comments--and there are certainly some other sites where skiers, when completely dialed in, will run top scores. Cedar Ridge, Covington, Lake 38 and several others that have not already been named definitely make that list. I'm glad you have included our lake (back lake at Isles, wintergardenwaterski on insta and fb) on that list. For anybody looking for optimal conditions in which to perform your best, we encourage you to give us a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KRoundy Posted October 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2020 Maybe - what I was trying to say was that there have been controversies about scores for a long time. I admit that posting huge scores at a small tournament vs. doing things in secret at your own place is way different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JackQ Posted October 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2020 KRoundy, Dr. Michaels never had a World Record, and some if not many thought he was a fraud before he was caught. A classic case of ones down fall by ones own Hubris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted October 18, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted October 18, 2020 @JackQ But he did have a National record(s). I believe he is the guy that finally “displaced” Chuck Forrest. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted October 20, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2020 @MattP Just confirming, you are sure "I'm Sure", no scores will be dropped or disqualified from the tournament therefore you are taking the bet that all scores will stand. 12 pack of IPA (within reason) for me saying scores will be disqualified and you're sure they won't be I mean if this is more your thing, we can swap out your winnings . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller APB Posted October 20, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2020 This sport gets nowhere eating it’s own. It’s the reason we can’t grow on the competition side of things. Jamie is incredibly talented. She has been chasing and one Upping herself all season. Her score is no surprise especially on a site she’s training at. John Travers is an unreal skier and should have a homesite advantage. He does so much for our sport & tournaments and going after him I think is unfair and unsportsman like. Will Asher is effing will Asher! Dude can get pretty much anything and has. The cliques in our sport and the want to discredit others is so strong that it is cringe worthy. Great skiing Jamie, John and Will. Leave the haters in the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted October 20, 2020 Supporting Member Share Posted October 20, 2020 I completely disagree that "eating our own" is a key element that prevents popularity of the sport. In fact, the exact opposite is true. Fans of every major sport spend 2/3 of their time criticizing athletes whose performances are 100 times better than anything that fan could ever achieve. They blast refs for missed calls. They blast athletes for dropping a pass. They invent all sorts of zany conspiracy theories to explain why their team didn't win it all. They spew accusations of cheating with zero proof (and other times with plenty of proof :smile:). Getting attention is the key to popularity. If the goal is to grow the sport from a fanbase standpoint, we need more people paying attention, not fewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 20, 2020 Administrators Share Posted October 20, 2020 @APB I think the title of this thread is correct. I am totally uncomfortable with this subject because I have such a high opinion of the skiers. Unfortunately the scores are such that I would be remiss if I did ask questions. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brettmainer Posted October 20, 2020 Members Share Posted October 20, 2020 Since a world overall record was set, a key component of which was his slalom score, I think the course would be surveyed post event and the ropes re-measured. The boat path videos will be scrutinized. There either was or was not something out of tolerance and it won't be a mystery or subject to opinion; everything will be checked and not subject to conjecture. I for one doubt anything was off and I will take @scoke up on the case of Zima he is trying to get out of his fridge. I don't know all of the skiers on that list, but of the ones I do know, there is not a single score that is ridiculous PB or beyond what they have scored dozens of times in practice. Take Blaze Grubbs. His 3 and his 4 at 39 seem like big scores (they are very impressive), but he ran 4@39 at the BOS tournament and I know he has run 39 in practice. End of the year, equipment and technique are dialed, perfect day at a perfect site, I believe it is perfectly plausible for 21 of 34 skiers to ski to their PB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted October 20, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2020 A challenger has appeared!! heck yeah. @brettmainer Some amazing skiers were at that tournament. Since matp has crawfished and never has replied or confirming he's taking my bet, let's talk. My prediction, a record will not be set due to technical issues OR some scores will not count. 2-6 packs, IPA my choice, within reason. Your prediction: HOORAY, EVERYONE SKIED STATISTICALLY better then a tournament is mathematically capable, all scores stands and records stand and anyone questioning the scores is just a "hater". 2 6 packs of zima or equivalent for you. deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted October 20, 2020 Supporting Member Share Posted October 20, 2020 Dammit this thread is giving me a huge man-crush on @scoke. :smile: Fwiw, I genuinely hope he loses his bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 20, 2020 Administrators Share Posted October 20, 2020 @Than_Bogan @scoke I dare you guys to break out the spreadsheets and crunch some data. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted October 20, 2020 Supporting Member Share Posted October 20, 2020 @Horton You're not the first person to ask me to do some analysis on this. But I'm afraid it's not high on my priority list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted October 20, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2020 The main problem for the likes of @scoke , @Than_Bogan and myself here is the unavoidable OCD math trigger. The math does not support the results. After being “squared” in engineering school, you just cannot let go something like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brettmainer Posted October 21, 2020 Members Share Posted October 21, 2020 @scoke, 12 good IPAs is the bet. The loser pays off next time you get to Sacramento or I get down to the New France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 21, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 21, 2020 Unless I missed a comment in this thread, there is something that no one has mentioned. Lots of "home site", "great site" and on and on, but why did the scores improve so much from the tournament on this same site 3-4 days earlier? Same site, same skiers (for the most part) I can't comment on the specific conditions on each day, but......? Someone mentioned "midweek" as less pressure and more relaxed environment. Come on, these are either pros or well seasoned, high level amateurs, so I don't see too much advantage to the midweek reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Scott Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 @scoke you should have included shipping in the bet. I’d start making room in my refrigerator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted October 21, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 21, 2020 @brettmainer I love it, you’ve put your money where your mouth is unlike most of the feel good kumbaya posters in this thread who aren’t honest with themselves. It’s unlikely you’ll be in west Palm any time soon and it’s even more very unlikely I’ll be on the left coast in the next four years. We can do shipped (didn’t Horton do ipa or online beer provider video) or cut a check for local purchase. What’s your favorite store local? Anyone else want in on the action? I’d consider laying odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted October 21, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted October 21, 2020 @scoke I'm in, but the bet is you have to drink the Zima when you lose! I'll even cut you some slack and make it 2 sittings for a 6 pack each - with video of course. This is for a systemic or intentional issue. The boat getting pulled slightly out on a buoy or 2 is allowable. If there is a systemic or intentional issue, I'll send you 12 of the IPA of your choice. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted October 21, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted October 21, 2020 I wonder how good Zima tastes to wash down hard boiled eggs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted October 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 22, 2020 bruce, i like your style but i enjoy quality IPA better. haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted October 30, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2020 Good morning. We're getting closer. Both of these are options and my recent favorites. I can source them locally or you can have them shipped. @brettmainer @Bruce_Butterfield @MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted October 30, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted October 30, 2020 Junk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted October 30, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted October 30, 2020 Goose Island isn't bad, but I'm just waiting for the video of you choking down those 6 packs of Zima! If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted October 30, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted October 30, 2020 Mass produced beer with a 10 year shelf life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted October 30, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2020 Hi Mark, in this entire thread have you added anything of value to the topic or direction it’s going? Maybe it’s time to step up and get in on the friendly wagering or GTFO? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted October 30, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted October 30, 2020 I agree with you and can’t bet against you. My guess is friendly driving. However I did add to the thread by letting people know that goose island is junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted November 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 4, 2020 Alrighty then! What’s an alternative of 2 IPA’s that I can claim in the near future?? Also, it’s odd I haven’t heard of the world record being approved nor the Canadian women’s record being approved. Weird! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted November 4, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 4, 2020 In South Florida you will probably need to go with some Sweet Water IPA or some Terrapin Kiss the Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 13, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 13, 2020 Looks like all the scores from this event are no longer on the IWWF Weekly World Ranking List. http://www.iwsftournament.com/homologation/idopenslalomweeklydisplay.php?listdate=2020-11-10 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted November 13, 2020 Supporting Member Share Posted November 13, 2020 @Horton That seems like a weird way for IWWF to make "an announcement." Could it just be a glitch or is there reason to suspect a deeper meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted November 13, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted November 13, 2020 No announcement needed. They reviewed the tournament and found that something was not run to the level required by the rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted November 13, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 13, 2020 AWSA hasn’t downgraded the scores yet, as of a few minutes ago. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted November 13, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 13, 2020 Smells like another round of wagering is in order!! Any of you rah rah guys want to put your money where your mouth is to prove a hater like me wrong? I’m open to laying odds. A record will not be approved. A batch of scores in US will not count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 13, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 13, 2020 @scoke my spies tell me the record isn't even under consideration. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted November 13, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 13, 2020 Who gets beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted November 13, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted November 13, 2020 I think I should get a bottle of scotch for starting this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller klindy Posted November 14, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 14, 2020 IWWF has removed the scores from the ranking list pending a decision from AWSA. They can be added later. This will be resolved from AWSAs perspective in the next day or two. What IWWF ultimately does is independent from AWSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brettmainer Posted November 14, 2020 Members Share Posted November 14, 2020 @scoke it is not looking good for me. You should consider flying out for a few days and a tournament next summer. I’ll buy you a couple beers while you are here and you can take home 12 excellent west coast IPAs when you leave. For an extra $3 you can have @Dirt coach a couple sets. If I do lose, I would appreciate a specific announcement from AWSA as to why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted November 17, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 https://www.instagram.com/p/CHq8_r-hi2E/?igshid=14x37syjot3z3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 Tough 2/4 side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 Sorry to go off track, but @brettmainer you are way over valuing @dirt coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 Does "someone" have access to the SurePath data? I see the antenna in the video.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted November 17, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 17, 2020 @MattP, that data might look OK, though. I think the Sure-Path is only two digits to the left of the decimal. So, +105.3 cm might just look like +05.3 cm - well within tolerance. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 I don't watch a ton of end-course, but I've seen posts of record runs that were legit on this forum with some masterful driving even on boats that don't track as tight like the carbon pro. I've never seen a boat tip all around like in this video...yikers how does one drive a bull of a shortline skier in a boat that moves like that? For those that DO watch a lot of shortline end-course is this common? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted November 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 17, 2020 Is that you driving @APB ? If not, now what? APB said: "This sport gets nowhere eating it’s own. It’s the reason we can’t grow on the competition side of things. going after him I think is unfair and unsportsman like. The cliques in our sport and the want to discredit others is so strong that it is cringe worthy. Great skiing Jamie, John and Will. Leave the haters in the dust" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted November 17, 2020 Supporting Member Share Posted November 17, 2020 @scoke Although I am on record disagreeing with him, I think you're mischaracterizing @APB's position. He hasn't stated how he feels people should react *after* actual evidence surfaces. Perhaps that's your way of asking him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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