Masterline Ropes

[Stevie Boy]

Hi Ballers, so I am looking at Masterline Ropes, I normally buy their most expensive Mainline, but seeing that I am never likely to require anything past 10.75m (39.5off) I am looking at there cheaper options, can anybody tell me the difference between the Normal Main Line and the DIX Mainline, there does not seem to be any info as to what DIX means.

Thanks in Advance for any Info supplied.

[skierjp]

Dave Macchi can tell you, he helps out there sometimes dave2ball

[jayski]

@mlusa

[A_B]

I think the rope material is the same for their slalom ropes, 16 strand 10mm, unless it is their junior 8mm or they say what the line is.

 

The “normal” rope doesn’t have slide loops, section markers, and is not one continuous rope with added loop material, the sections can be removed. That may cause a difference in stretch, but could be fairly hard to tell.

 

I buy the DlX old style 8 loops (to 39.5) and everyone seems to like it.

 

Anyone who needs a shorter rope will likely bring their own.

 

Of course, always measure the sections after a few sets with some tension on the line. Mastelines are usually pretty good on measure but I have ahead a couple through the years that needed some tweaking. I don’t remember what brand they were.

[Stevie Boy]

So I have just realised it is not dix it is dlx which obviously stands for deluxe still not sure of the difference

[Chef23]

I think the white rope seems to twist up more than the black rope. No empirical evidence just my impression.

[igkya]

Now that @Chef23 mentions it, two ski buds of mine have Masterline ropes, one is a black mainline, the other white. The white does seem to twist more.

[lpskier]

I’ve used the white ML rope this summer with no twisting issues whatsoever. However, I removed the red and orange sections, and I don’t coil my rope, I fold it.

 

Coiling your rope causes twists. Well, actually it’s the uncoiling that causes the twists, but if you don’t coil it in the first place it won’t twist going out of the boat. It also doesn’t twist when you just pull it in and leave it in a pile on the floor of the boat, but that would really piss off my father!

[Stevie Boy]

I generally twist my rope as I coil it then it doesn't twist as you un coil it.

[Chef23]

@lpskier explain the folding technique to me. I don’t leave my rope in the boat and need the 22 off length at least.

[Drago]

If you don't fall, it doesn't twist. Pretty sure they are the same rope (specs, material).

[skialex]

What @Drago says, also a fresh rope twists less

[rayn]

I feel like I treat my ropes basically the same sometimes coil sometimes just leave on the floor in a pile. Old black rope didn't twist. Current white one does. Putting a new black one in service after Labor Day, we will see what that one does.

 

Let's be clear, I don't notice the difference at the end of the rope nor do I really care it looks twisted.

[lpskier]

@Chef23 I texted you a video from YouTube. It will give you the general idea. You can do it all in your hand instead of around your neck.

[lpskier]

@Chef23 Don’t tell Ray. It’s proprietary.

[ScottScott]

There are 2 coiling techniques that won't twist the rope. 1) make large coils without twisting that let the rope fall into a figure 8 in your hand. That may be the folding that @lpskier uses? It's common in nautical use for handling various lines. 2) An under/over coiling used with cables in entertainment. 1 coil is normal, 2nd coil folds under, then alternates. That puts a counter twist every other coil that uncoils with no twists.

[ScottScott]

I think the darker ML lines are a little softer/flexible. It's not that they don't twist, they just don't show the twists as much.

[rayn]

@lpskier @Chef23 knows I don't watch video. :)

[Chef23]

@rayn even if they might help your skiing.

[disland]

IWWF required inverse coiling, AWSA required reverse coiling. Failure to follow coiling could result in a DQ

[lpskier]

@disland There we go. A story with a surprise plot twist at the very end.

 

@ScottScott Numero uno is close to right. Imagine the figure eight but no cross-over at the canter. Just a series of “U” shape folds of rope, back and forth across your hands. If done correctly, no twists, no tangles.

[thager]

My ML ropes are like my personality, twisted!

[teammalibu]

This post is getting really twisted!

Take the handle off and they won't twist!

[Chef23]

@teammalibu I never thought about taking the handle off. It would probably help.

[LeonL]

Some handles, while dragging in th water curse more twists than others. I know a skier who, when skiing tournaments as the the boat takes slack out, untwists the rope. He's very particular about that.

[MISkier]

@LeonL, I ski with several people who will check the rope and untwist it, including at tournaments. It happened many times in our tournament yesterday. I do this as well. No need to be skiing with a springy or spongy rope.

[thager]

Feeling a little loopy now!

 

[skialex]

Oh I’m not gonna take it anymore.... B)

[teammalibu]

@LeonL I definitely resemble that comment! Somebody's gotta do it!

[pregom]

The method of coiling a rope by letting it fall into a figure 8 in one’s hand is what I learned ages ago when I started rock climbing and mountaineering. Using your neck instead of your hand (you let the rope fall off your shoulders as you loop it behind the neck) makes it easier to coil when dealing with 50 or 60 meter ropes (that’s 165 - 200 feet for those who still use antiquated units of measure :) ). You don’t want twisted ropes when climbing. Instead coiling with a twist apparently is what is used in show skiing. We had a discussion at our ski club about this: ballet lines pay out the ropes from the dock and the coils avoid snags. For slaloming it’s the opposite, like in climbing.

[teammalibu]

Gosh darn cursing twisted ropes!

[ski6jones]

Anybody ever measure a twisted rope, then measure it again untwisted? Curious if you can even measure the difference.

[teammalibu]

Carl I'll try it when I measure tourney ropes Friday! How many twists would you like?

[Chef23]

I don't think it impacts my performance I just find it annoying.

[Killer]

I've been using the $50 8 loop rope (no line markings). It is the same rope as the dlx rope. Was told it's the same rope and construction as the non slide loop pro mainline. They aren't pre-stretched though. I go back and forth to the 11 loop lines and notice zero difference.

 

this is how I was taught to coil my rope:

[buoyboy1]

@ski6jones Many years ago I recall measuring (under 20 kg of tension) my severely twisted rope and it was almost 11" longer at 28 off when it was untwisted. A twisted rope also feels a bit spongy to me when skiing. To this day I make sure every twist is out of it before I get pulled up.

[MISkier]

@teammalibu, put 20-30 twists in it. If you can, measure from 22’ off with that many twists in it.

[MISkier]

@Killer, that is exactly how I coil my ropes, but with a slight variation on the single tie method - a slight wrap of the loops leading up to the single tie.

[ski6jones]

@buoyboy1 I'm surprised it's that much.

 

@teammalibu if the diff is about 11" that just about equals our difference in reach. Seriously interested in what you measure. We'll be up Thurs eve, I can help you measure.

[mwetskier]

@pregom -regarding our ' antiquated units of measure ' there are two kinds of countries in this world, those who use the metric system and those who have landed men on the moon. just sayin

 

[Killer]

@mwetskier NASA uses the metric system...

[BraceMaker]

@Killer only since the 1980s, NASA used imperial forever and a day.

[mwetskier]

@Killer -not when they were landing men on the moon they didn't.

[The_MS]

We have never been to the moon. It was a TV show.

[dave2ball]

@Stevie Boy sent u a pm

[teammalibu]

@ski6jones I'll make sure to twist your rope before you ski!

[klindy]

@teammalibu if you catch the rope with the prop it'll twist it tighter and faster. @ski6jones told me he appreciates that. :smile:

[lpskier]

Burma and Liberia have sent men to the moon? Who knew?

[slow]

Dozenal number system is the best. We needed 6 fingers. A foot, a yard, a farhom, even a mark twain. Forget the metric system

[teammalibu]

@klindy saw a guy in a big laker boat snag his anchor rope with the prop when he powered hard in reverse the anchor came flying out of the water and put a hole the size of a basketball in the side of his cruiser! Great day, only wish I had video!